The Russians have nothing but themselves to blame for being so negligent and not having reinforced Kharkov and Northern Donbass with at least 15,000 extra properly equipped personnel before the Ukrainians went on the offensive and also during that entire time having greatly fortified defenses along the Oksil River and even within Lyman itself and surrounding villages themselves. The Russians definitely had 15,000 troops available within Russia itself before the Ukrainians embarked on the offensive.
The War in the Ukraine
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It is a choice they made for whatever reason and they'll to deal with the consequences of it but lets not act that like this means the end of the war and that the Ukranians are about march all the way to Sevastopol either; that for every success in Kharkov, they manage to get trashed in Kherson and that Russia still has the strategic depth to turn thngs around in Kharkov if they decide to cut the bullshit.
I mean the constant talk about how Russia is not fully committing is not at all a good argument for why they are underperforming, going "hehe they're only using 10% of their power" is not going to regain any lost equipment and manpower for Russia and just sounds like pointless cope. So is the "wait till they do the full scale attack" talk. We've been waiting for 7 months now, it should've been obvious after 3 months that the 200,000 initially committed was nowhere near enough to topple Ukranian defenses, even now with partial mobilization we'll need to wait another month or two before we'll see those reservists in action, in the meantime, there is still good chance that Ukranian forces can punch through and capture Kherson itself, cutting off Crimea.
Russia still hasn't targeted power plants, water treatement stations, dams, bridges decision making centers, etc. It's critical infrastructure formed by a small number of fixed targets. Whatever air defences and detection means Ukraine has wont stop a Kinzhal. Besides, they don't need to be worried about being labeled as war criminals because they already are. This tells me they're not really desperate yet. Let's wait and see.
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If you reinforce Kharkov theatre, you are taking away from other fronts. I assume the Russians thought the Ukrainians would be least likely to launch their counteroffensive there given that they gave up the territory not long ago.
We all know that the Ukrainian plan up until now has been to throw bodies into the meat grinder in the east until they could scramble together a semi functional western trained army. That army is now on the battlefield.
Never going to happen. Ukraine has managed to push Russia back from a few small villages it held. It would be like saying the Mexican army took over El Paso police station, so soon they will be marching onto Washington. Kherson is a big city and will never be under Ukrainian control again.
How many kinzhal does Russia possess? They need a lot of long ranged firepower to effectively disable infrastructure, not to mention cruise missiles strikes have been shot down throughout the war. Using bombers is out of the question since Ukranian air defenses are still active.
Wow. Proven correct again. Kadyrov is the only competent person there
"I have always said: there is nothing better than the voiced truth, albeit bitter, offensive, but the truth. This is the only way to move forward. Therefore, I cannot remain silent about what happened in Krasny Liman.
The defense of this section was led by the commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Alexander Lapin. The same Lapin, who received the star of the Hero of Russia for the capture of Lisichansk, although de facto he was not there and was not around. Lapin was also given over to the troops of the Western Military District.
The colonel-general deployed mobilized fighters from the LPR and other units on all frontiers of the Liman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communications, interaction and the supply of ammunition. Two weeks ago, Major General Commander of the Akhmat Special Forces, my dear BROTHER Apty Alaudinov, personally reported to me that our fighters could become an easy target. In turn, I informed Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, about the danger. But the general assured me that he had no doubts about Lapin's leadership talent and did not believe that a retreat was possible in Krasny Liman and its environs.
A week later, Lapin moves his headquarters to Starobelsk, a hundred kilometers from his subordinates, while he himself sits in Lugansk. How can you quickly manage units, being 150 km away from them? Due to the lack of elementary military logistics, today we have left several settlements and a large piece of territory.
It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would have demoted Lapin to the rank of private, would have deprived him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, would have sent him to the front lines to wash away my shame with blood.
Army nepotism will not lead to good. In the army, it is necessary to appoint people of a strong character, courageous, principled, who worry about their fighters, who tear their teeth for their soldier, who know that a subordinate cannot be left without help and support. There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times."
"I have always said: there is nothing better than the voiced truth, albeit bitter, offensive, but the truth. This is the only way to move forward. Therefore, I cannot remain silent about what happened in Krasny Liman.
The defense of this section was led by the commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Alexander Lapin. The same Lapin, who received the star of the Hero of Russia for the capture of Lisichansk, although de facto he was not there and was not around. Lapin was also given over to the troops of the Western Military District.
The colonel-general deployed mobilized fighters from the LPR and other units on all frontiers of the Liman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communications, interaction and the supply of ammunition. Two weeks ago, Major General Commander of the Akhmat Special Forces, my dear BROTHER Apty Alaudinov, personally reported to me that our fighters could become an easy target. In turn, I informed Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, about the danger. But the general assured me that he had no doubts about Lapin's leadership talent and did not believe that a retreat was possible in Krasny Liman and its environs.
A week later, Lapin moves his headquarters to Starobelsk, a hundred kilometers from his subordinates, while he himself sits in Lugansk. How can you quickly manage units, being 150 km away from them? Due to the lack of elementary military logistics, today we have left several settlements and a large piece of territory.
It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would have demoted Lapin to the rank of private, would have deprived him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, would have sent him to the front lines to wash away my shame with blood.
Army nepotism will not lead to good. In the army, it is necessary to appoint people of a strong character, courageous, principled, who worry about their fighters, who tear their teeth for their soldier, who know that a subordinate cannot be left without help and support. There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times."
Just from this statement alone I count 6 instances of corruption in the military
Corruption or incompetence, you name it.
Who promoted him?
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Corruption or incompetence, you name it.
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6
Who promoted him?
This is a testimony of the great extent of complacency and even outright negligence on the part of the highest echelons of Russian leadership. Not sufficient urgency, not sufficient caution when the Ukrainians were obviously not defeated.
There were troops available already within Russia. The point that I am trying to say is that those troops should have been on readiness duty within Ukraine itself and fully equipped before the Ukrainians began their Kharkov offensive. The reports are coming from many sources that it is only within the last week that finally substantial numbers of them adequately equipped have entered in the parts of Kharkov still controlled by the Russians and also Lugansk Province from the Belgorod and Rostov oblasts. These reinforcements in questions are not members of the partial reserve that is being mobilized.
Anyway, what has been done is done. I believe that Russia will actually retake Lyman and parts of Kharkov that it has retreated from, though at considerable cost to personnel and materiel. That cost could have been less if they had forces already at ready within Ukraine when the Ukrainians began their counteroffensive. The war is from over and it looks like it will be a war even if at low intensity for years to come, though for a half year to a year to come it will be very intense.