The War in the Ukraine

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Zichan

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Chilled_k6 said:
What is the BARS-13 unit? At first I thought they were a Donbass militia unit but some Telegram seems to imply they may be Russian army unit, or PMC Wagner? Not very clear to me. The region in Liman they're fighting in seems to make it more likely they're regular Russian army unit.
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BARS are army reserve units. I think it’s a new structure, introduced in 2021.
 
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Chilled_k6 said:
What is the BARS-13 unit? At first I thought they were a Donbass militia unit but some Telegram seems to imply they may be Russian army unit, or PMC Wagner? Not very clear to me. The region in Liman they're fighting in seems to make it more likely they're regular Russian army unit.
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It is a Kuban Cossacks reserve unit, Russian Army. There are Cossacks unit in the LPR or DPR, like the 6th or the 11th.

Note that Chechens are also part of the regular Russian military.

So when the Russian MOD mentioned that it suffered -6000 casualties so far in the campaign, this is regular Russian military including Chechens and Cossacks with the Russian Army. DPR, LPR, and Wagner not included. When the Russian military rotates troops, it's only Russian military not LPR, DPR, or Wagner, hence the other three fight to exhaustion while the others get a month's break such as the Akhmat regiment. The Ukrainians timed their offensive during this operational pause of the regulars, leaving only paramilitary and reserves in Izyuim.
 
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Tam said:
It is a Kuban Cossacks reserve unit, Russian Army. There are Cossacks unit in the LPR or DPR, like the 6th or the 11th.

Note that Chechens are also part of the regular Russian military.

So when the Russian MOD mentioned that it suffered -6000 casualties so far in the campaign, this is regular Russian military including Chechens and Cossacks with the Russian Army. DPR, LPR, and Wagner not included. When the Russian military rotates troops, it's only Russian military not LPR, DPR, or Wagner, hence the other three fight to exhaustion while the others get a month's break such as the Akhmat regiment. The Ukrainians timed their offensive during this operational pause of the regulars, leaving only paramilitary and reserves in Izyuim.
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Having ethnic units of Cossacks and people from the Caucasian regions goes back to the Czarist army, like the time of Peter the Great and Katherine The Great, and the war against Napoleon. So this is a revival of an old tradition.
 
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i wonder now that donbass is declared to be russian territory if there will be a sudden influx of conscripted troops into theatre.
 
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kokole said:
About the situation in Lyman from pro-Russian Telegram channel "Donbass Devushka", I quote:

16.10
Krasny Liman: RIAN military correspondents drove from Kremennaya to Torskoy, the area is under the complete control of the allied forces. Our armored vehicles are moving along the roads.

16.52
Four battle groups of the Russian 58th Army, reinforced with armors en route to Liman to deblocade it and change the tactic situation on the ground. Bombers armed with FAB-500 (500kg) and FAB-3000 (3t) bombs scrambled: sources.

21.56
Seems the situation around Krasny Liman has stabilized and there is no cauldron. Russian reinforcements are well on their way.
Also keep in mind, ukraine is pulling their men from Soledar of all places to reinforce Liman. This is a terrible, desperate move.

22.31
The situation near Liman is improving. According to our sources, "Wagner" have been transferred.
They also report that parts of the Southern Military District have been pulled together. Let's go brothers. Glory to Russia!

22.45
Despite the fact that at the moment the higher headquarters are scratching their heads and thinking that there may be no one left in Liman, according to our information, the city’s garrison not only holds out, but even locally counterattacks. As of 19.00, the enemy was driven back from Stavki. And so Elder Eddy @vysokygovorit correctly says: “the fog of war” reigns in the area. DRGs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate in the area of Tern and Yampolovka on the eastern bank of the reservoir.

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Well, they sure took their time in getting there... BUT if they are intervening and coming in significant numbers and with the necessary equipment it does take time to do so correctly... Additionally, they are probably reinforcing and fortifying Kremina, Savato, and Rubizhne as they are arriving from Rostov, Voronezh, and Belgorod.
 
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LawLeadsToPeace said:
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Is it just me or is this guy in the middle wearing a Type 07 digital backpack?
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Actually, those maxi pads are not too off from an actual field dressing. I remember getting a few “NATO-standard” dressings that came in an olive drab plastic coated pouch.

It doesn’t say much for the state of logistics, but logically speaking, its not stupid, both are pads that absorb blood…
 
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jvodan said:
Nato's constitution forbids signing up a member with an active territorial dispute .

In addition any one of Nato's members has the right of Veto.
Surely one of the 30 doesn't want to suddenly be at war
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If they wanted Ukraine in then Ukraine will be in and the only one whose vote will maybe be against what the US demands is Turkey. Just Turkey. The others are just vassal states anyway.
 
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