Not even sure that Russian are defending them if they have time to retreat. Most villages are in rubble anyway, nothing to capture there beside selfies for Twitter. But if they are able to have good bridges over rivers, they will be way more dangerous than using pontons on the Oskill river for the Donbass region.
The War in the Ukraine
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This statement in no way invalidates my prerogative and I agree with your statement, which is why I specifically said that "it depends on the logistics of the forces involved in the surroundings of this theater."
If there is logistics built and supported in the theater, this does not imply a greater operational burden for forces in the theater even if it is 200 km from the national territory or 11,000 km.
Take the example of William Pagonis in the Gulf War. We can argue that in order to accomplish the objective of the different stages of the mission to expel Iraq from Kuwait, a whole logistics had to be created months before the start of the offensive, because there were not hundreds of thousands of US ground troops in Saudi Arabia, all this had to be organized and transferred via ships and airlift, but regardless the fact is that by the time the logistics had to be pre-implemented in the theater, the operational burden was no longer thousands of miles from home, but hundreds of miles away km from where the logistics centers were positioned, so theoretically the burden had been eliminated.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Russia has maintained operations in Syria because the logistical demand is much lower to keep 5,000 troops in Syria than to keep more than 150,000 troops in combined arms operations across the border. The shorter distance only makes logistical support more flexible, but it is equally challenging, especially if we are talking about more than a hundred thousand military personnel. The fact that you've never heard of Russian logistical problems in Syria doesn't mean it didn't happen, because it did, just look - to be a little more fair, the same logistical problem the Americans encountered in the Gulf War, but no comparisons because of the level of forces employed, but this serves as a warning because unlike the US, Russia has already had problems keeping more than 5,000 military personnel away from its borders.
Also, I disagree how much Russian logistics is not failing - or rather - was failing because the Russians don't have enough trucks, they rely on railway brigades which are much less flexible than trucks, there is no way to rely solely on a logistics via rail, the railroad needs to start from the factory to the ammunition depot and then be sent to the theater of operations, this does not work, the trucks alleviate this logistical burden, but it still needs many trucks, which Russia there is not. This could clearly change with the mobilization, but it could also increase the Russians' logistical shortcomings even more, we will still have to wait to prove this reality.
Still baffling as to what Russia strategy is anyway and why they continue to insist on tying their left foot to their right arm. If I remember, didn’t the Whitehouse say like 1-3 months ago that Russia is able to fight on other theaters if they wanted.
Then there is Alexander Mer. who mentioned that there are unconfirmed reports that they had withdrew 30k troops from Ukraine around August with only 50k remaining in September. Supposedly, reports of Russians buildup in Belgorod as well.
Then there is Alexander Mer. who mentioned that there are unconfirmed reports that they had withdrew 30k troops from Ukraine around August with only 50k remaining in September. Supposedly, reports of Russians buildup in Belgorod as well.
Rybar is reporting that some reinforcements arrived to the area and managed to slow down the encirclement on the Kremina-Torskoye road and that the AFU command withdrew from Seversk
Also claiming that the Lyman garrison even managed to do a local counter-offensive and pushed the Ukranians back from Stavka
Also claiming that the Lyman garrison even managed to do a local counter-offensive and pushed the Ukranians back from Stavka
About the situation in Lyman from pro-Russian Telegram channel "Donbass Devushka", I quote:
16.10
Krasny Liman: RIAN military correspondents drove from Kremennaya to Torskoy, the area is under the complete control of the allied forces. Our armored vehicles are moving along the roads.
16.52
Four battle groups of the Russian 58th Army, reinforced with armors en route to Liman to deblocade it and change the tactic situation on the ground. Bombers armed with FAB-500 (500kg) and FAB-3000 (3t) bombs scrambled: sources.
21.56
Seems the situation around Krasny Liman has stabilized and there is no cauldron. Russian reinforcements are well on their way.
Also keep in mind, ukraine is pulling their men from Soledar of all places to reinforce Liman. This is a terrible, desperate move.
22.31
The situation near Liman is improving. According to our sources, "Wagner" have been transferred.
They also report that parts of the Southern Military District have been pulled together. Let's go brothers. Glory to Russia!
22.45
Despite the fact that at the moment the higher headquarters are scratching their heads and thinking that there may be no one left in Liman, according to our information, the city’s garrison not only holds out, but even locally counterattacks. As of 19.00, the enemy was driven back from Stavki. And so Elder Eddy @vysokygovorit correctly says: “the fog of war” reigns in the area. DRGs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate in the area of Tern and Yampolovka on the eastern bank of the reservoir.
Rybar
16.10
Krasny Liman: RIAN military correspondents drove from Kremennaya to Torskoy, the area is under the complete control of the allied forces. Our armored vehicles are moving along the roads.
16.52
Four battle groups of the Russian 58th Army, reinforced with armors en route to Liman to deblocade it and change the tactic situation on the ground. Bombers armed with FAB-500 (500kg) and FAB-3000 (3t) bombs scrambled: sources.
21.56
Seems the situation around Krasny Liman has stabilized and there is no cauldron. Russian reinforcements are well on their way.
Also keep in mind, ukraine is pulling their men from Soledar of all places to reinforce Liman. This is a terrible, desperate move.
22.31
The situation near Liman is improving. According to our sources, "Wagner" have been transferred.
They also report that parts of the Southern Military District have been pulled together. Let's go brothers. Glory to Russia!
22.45
Despite the fact that at the moment the higher headquarters are scratching their heads and thinking that there may be no one left in Liman, according to our information, the city’s garrison not only holds out, but even locally counterattacks. As of 19.00, the enemy was driven back from Stavki. And so Elder Eddy @vysokygovorit correctly says: “the fog of war” reigns in the area. DRGs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate in the area of Tern and Yampolovka on the eastern bank of the reservoir.
Rybar
Probably they replenish unis to full war size now with mobilized troops. It is more effective to fill to full capacity existing units with combat experience than form new ones.
If they have gathered enough troops there then Russia could try its own counter-encirclement attempt against the forward based Ukrainian units.
It all depends if the manpower is really there. We might have a clearer understanding of the situation tomorrow
Seems Zelensky either drank his own Kool Aid, like Saakashvili once did, or this is just plausible deniability
What is certain is that there is no fast-tracking Ukraine.
What is certain is that there is no fast-tracking Ukraine.
Wait...so NATO and the UNSG had joint press conference to announce that Ukraine wasn't joining NATO? LOL
What is the BARS-13 unit? At first I thought they were a Donbass militia unit but some Telegram seems to imply they may be Russian army unit, or PMC Wagner? Not very clear to me. The region in Liman they're fighting in seems to make it more likely they're regular Russian army unit.