Yes, also the way Ukraine takes these towns is quite different from the way Russia took its towns. Russia took its time, use overwhelming fire power and bombard the town until it is ready to fall. Ukraine rushed in with overwhelming manpower and some machines. This means the losses, normally thinking as 3:1 favoring the defenders, will be even much more skewed and Ukraine is taking very heavy losses. Unless the town is very strategic, it is generally bad to trade such big losses for these towns.
The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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No need for fancy referendums to justify formal declaration of war..... Ukraine has attacked Russia Proper at least 25 times since start of the war, resulting in 10 deaths and +49 injuries on Russian home territory. If that is not sufficient to justify war declaration, I'm not sure what is. It should be been full-scale war w/regime change from the very beginning, none of this reactionary piecemeal escalation steps.
Perhaps Russia is trying to do what @Abominable suggest, trying to end the war by settling the war into a low-intensity border skirmish (Sino-Vietnam 1979-1991) with defined annexed borders. At this point, I am 99% sure there will never be a formal peace (Unequal) treaty signed so long as NATO-backed Zelensky is in power, the war will settle into a semi-stalemate along the 4 territories border with a more-or-less defacto ceasefire. I also agree this is not favorable to both sides.
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Since talking about population decline in Ukraine is now against the rules, I will say that the magnitude of rapid demographic changes in Ukraine absolutely dwarfs the amount in Russia.
So I wonder what's Russia's play is here, do they intend to move toward a formal declaration of war? Since they are currently still actively fighting and losing ground in some of the annexed territories.
If any attack on annexed territory is an attack on Russia, is formal war the end goal? The domestic popularity of the SMO already plummeted after the partial mobilization, I can't imagine the domestic unrest if Putin decides take this further.
If any attack on annexed territory is an attack on Russia, is formal war the end goal? The domestic popularity of the SMO already plummeted after the partial mobilization, I can't imagine the domestic unrest if Putin decides take this further.
There is ultimatum. That Ukraine would probably ignore. And that would lead to massive escalation in numbers of troops that participate in the operation. How it would end we would see soon.
In a video posted today by ASB, claiming to be foreign soldiers near Lyman, you can see the only vehicles nearby are 3 Toyota pick ups and a Nissan SUV.
Ukraine is already fighting on the so called annexed territories. Russia is claiming some big chunks of Ukraine it still has not set foot in.
If Ukraine send in large number of machines(cannons, tanks, armored vehicles), this will result in the destruction of such equipment, but at least they will have hope of taking the towns. If they are sending in large number of people in civilian vehicles, Lyman can hold for a long time even if it is "operationally encircled". To fight against large number of foot soldiers with civilian vehicles, you just need machine guns and ammo. You can airdrop that. In a couple of weeks, these troops will be bogged down when the rain come.