The War in the Ukraine

Broccoli said:

DIfferent T-80's captured.

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The cammo on some of those "russian" T-80's looks suspiciously ukranian. Apparently they had time to paint the ukranian pixelated pattern on the ERA bricks after capture and before the pictures.

Because thats something you do.

That T-72 turret has been in the ground for a while now, too. Picking up on Team Douma's antics on recounting equipment that probably was lost earlier in the war?

EDIT: Same for that BMP-2. Grass doesn't just magically grows under a vehicle that just blew up.

Broccoli said:

More valuable equipment captured.

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Valuable enough that the system was ready in 2010 but Russians didn't procure any of them until 2015...to send them directly into Ukraine since then. Took them what, 7 years to capture one?.


I'm sure the Ukranians have captured equipment in this offensive, but the noise to signal ratio is getting off the charts with the amount of fud they are throwing around for internet points.

Is there any good analysis of why Russia is losing so badly? From what I can see it's a combination of lack of manpower, holding back in terms of tactics, and Western equipment like counter-battery radars, but it would be nice to get a more concrete perspective.

gadgetcool5 said:

Is there any good analysis of why Russia is losing so badly? From what I can see it's a combination of lack of manpower, holding back in terms of tactics, and Western equipment like counter-battery radars, but it would be nice to get a more concrete perspective.

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They are more sitting on their buns lobbing artillery, retreating when seeing a threat than losing so badly... They are moving forward when nothing moves and backward when they see resistances while leaving broken Soviet era equipments behind for the hungry tractors.

I'm not sure Russia is actually losing. Kinda like what @sheogorath said, grass don't grow until recently blown up tanks.

Think this is the Russians pulling troops out to Donbass since they just don't have enough men. Use this as bait to get the Ukrainians out into the open from their reinforced positions. Then pound them with artillery. Once they pull out let them have the junk.

Blown equipments pictures don't mean a lot... it's a war with near peer adversaries. Both sides will lose a lot. It's interesting to see the use of them but claiming one side loss or win on a couple of disabled tanks, trucks or other systems is kinda useless.

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Rule number 3 is very difficult to self-implement and unnecessarily stifles grander discussions. It turns this tread into a slightly more in-depth twitter thread.

The rest of the rules I agree with.

gadgetcool5 said:

Is there any good analysis of why Russia is losing so badly? From what I can see it's a combination of lack of manpower, holding back in terms of tactics, and Western equipment like counter-battery radars, but it would be nice to get a more concrete perspective.

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Not to be a downer but i think is to early to claim victory for the Ukrainians, this offensive is not cheap, they are giving everything and the territory gained may look like a lot in MSM but is probably not, is only a small percentage of the total loss and i the south the situation is even worse.

That fact the are already begging for more weapons just weeks after receiving billions is maybe a sign of exhaustion. If they can conquer and hold a good portion of the lost territory for an extended period of time,it could be a win, but if they can't is going to be really bad if the Russian launch a counteroffensive against an exhausted Ukrainian army. But let see what happens.

sequ said:

Rule number 3 is very difficult to self-implement and unnecessarily stifles grander discussions. It turns this tread into a slightly more in-depth twitter thread.

The rest of the rules I agree with.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but there seems to be a difference between statements such as "Russia should do full mobilization. Otherwise they will die" and "Lack of manpower is a major reason for Russia's inability to hold land. If Russia sent more troops, it could change the nature of the war."

tokenanalyst said:

Not to be a downer but i think is to early to claim victory for the Ukrainians, this offensive is not cheap, they are giving everything and the territory gained may look like a lot in MSM but is probably not, is only a small percentage of the total loss and i the south the situation is even worse.
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That fact the are already begging for more weapons just weeks after receiving billions is maybe a sign of exhaustion. If they can conquer and hold a good portion of the lost territory for an extended period of time,it could be a win, but if they can't is going to be really bad if the Russian launch a counteroffensive against an exhausted Ukrainian army. But let see what happens.

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Allegedly Russians left back a lot of equipment and ammo during their hasty withdrawal.

I assume that this being the case, Ukraine and Russia are equal in this aspect on that specific front for equipment. Just regrouping and equipping these units (for Russia) again will probably take weeks (probably a month or maybe even more)

This means that Russia will be unable to make a sizable counter-offensive in that front for at least a month or more which gives time to Ukraine to dig in, fortify, reinforce their frontier troops with western equipment, give more time to replenish their forces, train, and regroup etc.

So overall, from a strategic point of view (putting aside the territorial gains), advantage is with Ukraine in this front