Only the first tank is marked with "Z", the others are marked with the Ukrainian "cross".
How do you know that these are really abandoned Russian tanks??!
The War in the Ukraine
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How do you know that these are really abandoned Russian tanks??!
It seems that Putin defenders are about to become an extinct species.As for "Russia will now defeat Ukraine and NATO by economy" lmao. At this point, you are grasping at straws
If the migthy Soviet Union couldn't achieve this, why do you think that Russia can? So, reality is one thing, and wishful thinking is another thing altogether. To summarise, Russia is in deep [redacted].
Strategically they are bad, tactically they are bad, hardware systems are bad, software systems are bad, 0 SEAD/DEAD, 0 EW, can't/won't mobilise more manpower, leadership is hilariously bad.
At this point, this war scores a perfect 10/10 on what Sun Tzu said NOT to do in a war. Old man would be banging his head on the wall. Its really impressive how you can start a war and mess up so much.
If the migthy Soviet Union couldn't achieve this, why do you think that Russia can? So, reality is one thing, and wishful thinking is another thing altogether. To summarise, Russia is in deep [redacted].
Strategically they are bad, tactically they are bad, hardware systems are bad, software systems are bad, 0 SEAD/DEAD, 0 EW, can't/won't mobilise more manpower, leadership is hilariously bad.
At this point, this war scores a perfect 10/10 on what Sun Tzu said NOT to do in a war. Old man would be banging his head on the wall. Its really impressive how you can start a war and mess up so much.
escobar
Brigadier
And Mobilization is far from a silver bullet, and would likely also turn into a messy debacle as well...
More info seems to be filtering out today
The key point is the build up of UAF units along the Zaphorisia to Donetsk line of the front which appears to be targetted towards Mariupol. The Ukrainians are apparently busy demining the front lines to enable them to move forward.
This front is undoubtedly more important than Kharkov which is why the decision to abandon Kharkov was made.
Russian sources are saying that the Kharkov counter offensive was primarily about getting Russia to move in reserves to the North of the Front and lock them into position there. Faced with this the Russians made the decision to withdraw the majority of their forces in that District including those to the North of City by the Russian border. Other Russian troops not involved in the SMO can guard the border and allow the SMO forces to be moved to a more critical position. It is claimed that most of these forces started to leave the Kharkov region a couple of weeks ago leaving little more than a rear guard to fall back to the new line, once the offensive got underway.
The general chatter is saying that the new shorter Russian line in the East of Kharkov is only using about the third of the forces previously stationed. If the goal was to lock Russian Reserves in position, well despite the claims of victory by Ukraine, it is just as fair to also say that the Russians have turned the tables on the Ukrainians and locked a lot of forces up in Kharkov where they have and continue to take a pounding from artillery and the air, without actually engaging in any significant land battles or inflicting significant loss on Russian forces.
NAFO can produce all the questionable photo evidence they like, until its confirmed by reliable sources, I will let their disingenuous track record speak for itself and accept none of it.
Interesting news coming from the Duma today. Moves it is claimed to upgrade the SMO to a Counter Terrorism operation........
The key point is the build up of UAF units along the Zaphorisia to Donetsk line of the front which appears to be targetted towards Mariupol. The Ukrainians are apparently busy demining the front lines to enable them to move forward.
This front is undoubtedly more important than Kharkov which is why the decision to abandon Kharkov was made.
Russian sources are saying that the Kharkov counter offensive was primarily about getting Russia to move in reserves to the North of the Front and lock them into position there. Faced with this the Russians made the decision to withdraw the majority of their forces in that District including those to the North of City by the Russian border. Other Russian troops not involved in the SMO can guard the border and allow the SMO forces to be moved to a more critical position. It is claimed that most of these forces started to leave the Kharkov region a couple of weeks ago leaving little more than a rear guard to fall back to the new line, once the offensive got underway.
The general chatter is saying that the new shorter Russian line in the East of Kharkov is only using about the third of the forces previously stationed. If the goal was to lock Russian Reserves in position, well despite the claims of victory by Ukraine, it is just as fair to also say that the Russians have turned the tables on the Ukrainians and locked a lot of forces up in Kharkov where they have and continue to take a pounding from artillery and the air, without actually engaging in any significant land battles or inflicting significant loss on Russian forces.
NAFO can produce all the questionable photo evidence they like, until its confirmed by reliable sources, I will let their disingenuous track record speak for itself and accept none of it.
Interesting news coming from the Duma today. Moves it is claimed to upgrade the SMO to a Counter Terrorism operation........
Right now the new coordinated twitter agenda is "Russians got beaten so badly they left behind all this equipment!". Some using photos proven to be scrapyards inside the Russian Federation, some showing overgrown vehicles that look like they broke down ages ago...
I call BS on that. Any large scale loss of equipment is always accompanied by large scale loss of life. Is it believable that Russians would climb out of perfectly functional vehicles so they can leg it out by foot when they can just drive said vehicles out?
As much ground as we see Ukraine take, there are few videos showing Russians get destroyed in combat and forced to retreat. Instead, we're treated to a coordinated campaign of random photos that are hard to date and easy to fake just by for example painting some Zs on wrecks that can be either Ukrainian or Russian. Well, I'm not impressed.
With the logic they are using to push their propaganda, all the M1's in scrapyards in Iraq are actually losses to ISIS and the Republican Guard before that.
Broccoli
Senior Member
Pro-Russian people say whole Ukrainian military is being destroyed multiple times per month, but now you're struggling to explain why supposedly superior Russian military retreating in panick, and only explanation is that Ukrainians are hauling previously captured T-72B3 into frontlines with Z painted on them? That's what you are going with? Okay.
We went from "Russia will destroy Ukrainian military and Kiev regime" to "Bro, war lasts long because it's Russian plot to destroy NATO" in less than five months.
I don't know who exactly you are talking to but at least I have never claimed that the AFU was destroyed several times per month. Since the start, I have written that AFU has way more manpower and still has more today.
Again, the whole narrative makes no sense. "Russians tremble before the AFU and drove away in such a hurry they left everything behind and now they can't fight on that front anymore." OK, so what did the Russians drive away in if there was a strategically relevant amount of equipment left? Or did they just decide to get out of perfectly functional T72s and BMPs so they can run on foot, because...? Why. Then what does that say about AFU if they couldn't even catch and massacre leg infantry running out of there "panicked" as you claim lol.
Point 2 is also Idk who you're talking to but not me at least. My position is same as usual, Russia needs to mobilize to win, NATO or no NATO but especially with NATO. In the meantime, as long as battles soften up the AFU over time, it is advantageous to Russia but will not create the conditions for victory unless Ukraine does a huge blunder.
The latest news from the Ukrainian Army advance is that they have crossed the Siversk Donetsk river and are going straight to Lyman
