The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Broccoli said:
People told me about six months ago that Russia is going to win by military force and this just demilitarization of Ukraine. Cauldrons and all that stuff... remember? But now when Russians military is running away it's suddenly about winning economically. Russia has lost 2/3 of it's export economy, so i'm not sure what they are winning, sure as hell aren't winning on battlefield, and if we look figures they are losing even worse economically. That's why Russiand and their shills are whining about sanctions.

"Of course Russia is a superpower. This war gonna last few weeks".

"They never wanted Kyiv. It was a feint".

"Snake Island? We'll Russia never needed it anyhow".

"They never wanted Odessa. it was a Feint".

"They never really wanted Kharkiv. It was a feint".


Fact is that Russians are right now hitting at Ukrainian civilian infra (again) because second/third third rate military cannot get any victories on battlefield, well, they took a hill yesterday.
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Have we been going to Liz Truss’ geography school? Because last time I checked, the fighting is deep in Ukrainian territory. If Russia cannot win any battles and Ukraine is as mighty as you say, why are these battles not happening at the gates of Moscow? The Ukrainians let the Russians advance so far out of goodwill and to give them a sporting chance? You are as bad as the ‘Russian shills’ straw men you are raging against.

Russia has been winning the battles consistently and steadily. The main criticism of the Russians before was that they were not winning fast enough or with enough style points. This is their first major defeat and wow the sky is falling on their heads! Give me a break.

The Russians were winning on the battlefield, but that’s not required for them to win the war. That’s why they were advancing at such a snail’s pace. At the rate they were going, it would have taken them years if not decades to inch their way to Lviv. What exports Russia lost to the EU were quickly replaced by increased exports to the rest of the world, and that includes the most honourable and selfless USA. How’s the EU’s quest to magic more oil and gas going again? Let’s see how the EU suffers this winter and see if they can stomach the idea of that becoming their new normal.
 
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Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
Pmichael said:
Compare that to the abandoned Abrams and other vehicles in Desert Storm, we are seeing a lack of discipline and/or time to properly destroy abandoned vehicles and equipment.
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We have no clue about the condition of the vehicles.

However ,if we expect that the NATO units pictureing them from the angle most fit for popagande purposes, and even on these pictures we can spot missing/disasembled critical components then we can say they are not in fightworty condition.
 
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Pmichael

Junior Member
Anlsvrthng said:
We have no clue about the condition of the vehicles.

However ,if we expect that the NATO units pictureing them from the angle most fit for popagande purposes, and even on these pictures we can spot missing/disasembled critical components then we can say they are not in fightworty condition.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1569202777406210049
I don’t think the claim they were all broken/destroyed anyway is that great counter argument here. It would paint an even worse image of the state of the Russian forces.
 
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pmc

Major
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Pmichael said:
Compare that to the abandoned Abrams and other vehicles in Desert Storm, we are seeing a lack of discipline and/or time to properly destroy abandoned vehicles and equipment.
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they may not want to destroy it for ukranian to drive around them. they also resurrected a dead person for ukraine operation.

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