The War in the Ukraine

Biscuits said:

In the meantime, as long as battles soften up the AFU over time, it is advantageous to Russia but will not create the conditions for victory unless Ukraine does a huge blunder.

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The thing is that for Russia to "win" it must at least win against Ukraine before going at its strategic adversary (US/NATO).

For NATO to win, it only needs to bleed Russia dry at this Ukraine-Russia war.

Do you see now why for Russia, even winning against Ukraine doesnt mean much because NATO is pretty much untouched while Russia itself will suffer from being directly engaged in a war (economically, technologically, industrially).

That's why Russia needed to stearmroll Ukraine in the first months so that it could minimise this war-damage. Russia biggest opponent isn't Ukraine, its NATO

Another confirmation of downed aircraft...

Russians are using sailors as tankers but only gives them weeks worth of training and that explains a lot.

Sheleah said:

Visually confirmed casualties for both sides in the Kharkov Offensive as of 9/11

The Russians were so "orderly" in their withdrawal, that they gave many equipment in very good condition to their enemies... "great strategists"...

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Who is the source of this data - the Ukrainian propaganda?!

Anyone can write such a list...

I thought this thread in this forum was serious and at least every Ukrainian fake wouldn't be dragged here.

But obviously I was wrong!

kokole said:

Who is the source of this data - the Ukrainian propaganda?!

Anyone can write such a list...

I thought this thread in this forum was serious and at least every Ukrainian fake wouldn't be dragged here.

But obviously I was wrong!

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You can't just claim things being propaganda and fake and call it a day. You are aware that Russia is retreating - officially confirmed.

Pmichael said:

You can't just claim things propaganda and fake and call it a day.

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Well, some of the stuff is evidently propaganda with little substance behind it, yet it's being posted again and again together with ridiculous claims such as "Russia running out of missiles" and "Russia losing 50k troops in Kharkov offensive." Come on guys, you think people here will fall for that? It's just plain annoying at this point.

This is a rational forum. We analyse the military failure and success of both sides. Everyone acknowledges the Russian withdraw and the rational posters are analysing the reason and consequences of it. It's annoying to see people spamming propaganda coupled with inflammatory BS. How old are you? 8?

GodRektsNoobs said:

Well, some of the stuff is evidently propaganda with little substance behind it, yet it's being posted again and again together with ridiculous claims such as "Russia running out of missiles" and "Russia losing 50k troops in Kharkov offensive." Come on guys, you think people here will fall for that? It's just plain annoying at this point.

This is a rational forum. We analyse the military failure and success of both sides. It's annoying to see people spamming stuff like this. How old are you? 8?

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Again, you are also not engaging with the actual point but just refuse something despite overwhelming visual evidence. You can maybe argue over the amount of lost equipment but not over the general fact anymore.

Pmichael said:

Again, you are also not engaging with the actual point but just refuse something despite overwhelming visual evidence. You can maybe argue over the amount of lost equipment but not over the general fact anymore.

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I am engaging with the actual point that some people (not naming names) on this thread have been posting inflammatory propaganda since day 1. Or others making unreasonable comparisons such as comparing Russian military capabilities (whose GDP is [EDIT] *smaller than* Guangdong) to hyperpower US invading Iraq just to deflect realistic critiques to biased OSINT analysis.

GodRektsNoobs said:

I am engaging with the actual point that some people (not naming names) on this thread have been posting inflammatory propaganda since day 1. Or others making unreasonable comparisons such as comparing Russian military capabilities (whose GDP is only equivalent of Guangdong) to hyperpower US invading Iraq just to deflect realistic critiques to biased OSINT analysis.

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You are just shouting the same things again, why not providing something instead why the Russian loses are overstated?

kokole said:

Who is the source of this data - the Ukrainian propaganda?!

Anyone can write such a list...

I thought this thread in this forum was serious and at least every Ukrainian fake wouldn't be dragged here.

But obviously I was wrong!

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Of course, for you only the Russian propaganda is true, starting with the MoD.... If you want I'll make a post with the visual confirmations of the last week that I have at hand.... But tell me if it really works for you to interest or if your brain is already washed, because if so, I will not waste time in favor of Russians convinced that Russia does not lose and that it only has "good will"