The War in the Ukraine

tphuang

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Puzzled...Russian planes go down by themselves...


Self-demilitarization???

And this is exactly the kind of low level posting I'm talking about. It's not uncommon for aircraft to run into problems during war time or high intensity operation when they may not be getting the maintenance required to keep that truly flight worthy.

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Sheleah

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No date, generic location given. You guys are a hoot.

Interesting how you seem to avoid any kind of critical thought for Ukranian sources you usually save for Russian ones.

But if it is the pro-Russian sources who have published these images recently...



And the Russians themselves have also published it... They even talk about a fallen Su-34 too

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You decide if the most famous Russians and pro-Russians on the networks are liars

Don't kill the messenger and focus on the message... Even if it makes you want to cry!!...
 

Overbom

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Maybe a higher bar for content (and bans for posts from certain twitter users), but not a full ban as there is occasionally good info
There are some issues where there is a tweet (from a pro-Russia handle oftentimes) and shows for example a video of Ukrainian troops entering a settlement with a text such as "Reportedly Ukrainian units have entered X town".

Now in that case, do we need to post something extra along with the tweet itself or not as the tweet itself is pretty much self-explanatory?

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sheogorath

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But if it is the pro-Russian sources who have published these images recently...

Thats exactly my point, you trust ukranian sources blindly, and only trust russian sources when it suits you.

But whenever the narrative on the ground doesn't back whatever you are pushing, you disappear from the forum entirely.

Don't kill the messenger and focus on the message... Even if it makes you want to cry!!...
Lovely personal attack. On the way to call people "cockroaches" like that other dude?
 

Sheleah

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Thats exactly my point, you trust ukranian sources blindly, and only trust russian sources when it suits you.

But whenever the narrative on the ground doesn't back whatever you are pushing, you disappear from the forum entirely.


Lovely personal attack. On the way to call people "cockroaches" like that other dude?

I generally trust the sources that provide evidence... Be it from either side....

But wait!... You are not the one who takes the Washington Post as a reliable source of Ukrainian casualties, but criticizes and Banalizes it when they publish regarding Russian casualties.... Friend, less double standards, and see the evidence before to attack, who looks like an extremist fanatic
 

SampanViking

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But if it is the pro-Russian sources who have published these images recently...



And the Russians themselves have also published it... They even talk about a fallen Su-34 too

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You decide if the most famous Russians and pro-Russians on the networks are liars

Don't kill the messenger and focus on the message... Even if it makes you want to cry!!...
If I wanted I could post Twitter and Telegram links all day showing blowing up Ukrainian armour, shot down Ukrainian Aircraft and endless corpses of Ukrainian fighters.

So why don't I?
Because of itself it brings nothing to the discussion, Its a war and people get killed and equipment gets destroyed.

There is something quite sickening about your style and I only permit your presence as I hope it may provide some balance. All to often it just provides Trolling Rubbish designed to set off some of the more excitable members and try to derail the thread

I am a very very patient man, but you and a few others are trying that patience and tolerance to the point of breaking.

The quality of your posts will improve your sneering attitude will change or you are out of here.
Any part of this not clear?
 

JebKerman

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It is quite clear that the people that post these things online have an agenda of making Ukrainians sound like absolute geniuses and Russians sound like complete morons. The fact that everyone on twitter have jumped onto the success of this Kharkiv offensive and just completely ignored all the losses at Kherson show you the reliability of this crowd.

This is a military forum, not twitter or reddit. Yes, we are biased toward China here and probably against Western military here, but let's try to be intellectually honest here and not resort to all these bad takes and hyperventilation.

if we only look at Russian incompetence and have complete media blackout over Ukrainian losses (outside of that one WAPO article), how can we accurately assess what's going on?

What seems to have happened is that:
1) Ukraine launched an enormous offensive at Kherson and the Russians were ready for it. Ukrainians really suffered
2) Ukraine then turned around and attacked Kharkiv, the Russians were not ready for it. They didn't want to lose combat strength, so they retreated to a place.
3) It didn't sound like there were any major Russian forces that were captured, because they were fleeing so quickly.
4) It is also quite obvious that the online twitter crowd has often overstated the number of Russian casualty and equipment losses. They are in capable of being partial and just analyze things from military point of view.
5) It's not clear to me how much casualties Russians can actually suffer from fleeing quickly and abandoning their equipments.


So, since this is a military forum, can we please just get past the hyperventilation and the over the top reactions and just look at what we can know?
- what has Russians actually lost in terms of combat strength?
- even if they lost 100 trucks, how hard is that to regain?
- are there any natural defensive value to the positions that Russia just lost? Keep in mind that Mariupol was a big deal because Ukrainians had fortified the area for years. Are there any such structure along Kharkiv that Russia lost?
- What is the capability of Russia to back up its forces and re-engage?
- What is the ability of Ukrainians to continue offensive? How much Ukrainian forces are available.
Exactly!

I remember when Pelosi landed in Taiwan people were going crazy saying stuff like time for Xi to go, start WWIII or I leave the forum, China weak bla bla. Now they just looks stupid. Ukraine has managed to gain a lot of ground the last couple of days. Are they going to push more or dig in? Can they hold it? Let's see what happens next. 让子弹飞一会

Should the Russians have started the war with the power plant strikes? Should they have stayed and fought instead of retreating? These can be debated. It's clearly too early to say it's the end of Russia and it's all over for Putin.
 

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It’s Time to Prepare for a Ukrainian Victory​

The liberation of Russian-occupied territory might bring down Vladimir Putin.
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NATO should be more generous, providing leopard 2 and F-35, so that maybe they can see Ukrainians celebrating victory in Moscow.

Or the world's military construction theory needs a fundamental change: 200000 automatic rifles are much more important than planes and tanks of equal value.
Many countries in the world are only rich in human resources, and they can completely exhaust the enemy's ammunition by relying on large and cheap infantry attacks.

——Now I only have one question: where is the Russian army now?Do they really want Ukrainians to rush into Donbass without any obstacles?
Victory is so easy for Ukrainians that it looks like a trap.
The opportunism shown by Putin has completely gone bankrupt. Now he must take the war seriously.
 

sheogorath

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I generally trust the sources that provide evidence... Be it from either side....
Lol, no, you don't. You have yet to post a single pro-russian information, no matter how much evidence of it there is.

You are not the one who takes the Washington Post as a reliable source of Ukrainian casualties, but criticizes and Banalizes it when they publish regarding Russian casualties....

Oh, but I know the Washington Post isn't reliable either way. If they trash the russians, they do so because it suits their handlers agenda and there is plenty of fake or distorted facts being pushed.

Or are we going to pretend they didn't push the narrative for the Iraq Invasion?

And if they admit the Ukranians are doing badly, it usually means things are actually worse and might actually be running cover to make the public opinion shift in favor of either cutting the ukranians loose or sending them more money and weapons.

Friend, less double standards, and see the evidence before to attack, who looks like an extremist fanatic

I'm not the one taking delight on the death of people.
 
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FriedButter

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Should the Russians have started the war with the power plant strikes? Should they have stayed and fought instead of retreating? These can be debated. It's clearly too early to say it's the end of Russia and it's all over for Putin.

One of the things they shouldn’t have done was issue threats and not following up on it. Anyone remember the threat to target decision making centers in Kiev if they hit Crimea? Along with other ones.

Alex Mer. few videos ago mentioned that the Pentagon basically said the Russians were bluffing. They won’t retaliate on their threats if the West sends more advance weapons to Ukraine.
 
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