The War in the Ukraine

zhangjim said:

NATO should be more generous, providing leopard 2 and F-35, so that maybe they can see Ukrainians celebrating victory in Moscow.

Or the world's military construction theory needs a fundamental change: 200000 automatic rifles are much more important than planes and tanks of equal value.
Many countries in the world are only rich in human resources, and they can completely exhaust the enemy's ammunition by relying on large and cheap infantry attacks.

——Now I only have one question: where is the Russian army now?Do they really want Ukrainians to rush into Donbass without any obstacles?

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Well people constantly pretend like it isn't numbers and good positioning that matters a lot. Every time it's peaceful for awhile people forget and start hyperfixating on if the leopard 2A7 or T99A which one has 50mm more RHA equivalent on the front or if Su35 can maneuver better than F15 as if thats gonna decide a war.

China itself proved that guns, artillery, good intelligence, good comms and mission oriented units is all you need to take massive ground from someone spamming tanks and planes thinking it makes up for local force concentration and ISR. And Ukraine outnumbers RU much more than PVA did to USFK, AFU is several times bigger while USFK was similar size and they still got rolled much harder. So I'm not claiming AFU is as professional as PVA but they can still achieve success.

Another example is how nazis ran over Europe even when their logistics were mostly horses with just a tiny armored spearhead allowing mass infantry to break through.

RU forces moved to Donetsk direction, so they can defend Kherson and Mariupol which some telegrams claim is AFU's real target. Which makes sense, the ground in the north changed hands before without much impact, but Russia is very reliant on having a land bridge to Crimea. That is the 1 territory in this war where trading even huge amounts of lives for land is absolutely worth it.

sheogorath said:

And if they admit the Ukranians are doing badly, it usually means things are actually worse and might actually be running cover to make the public opinion shift in favor of it either cutting the ukranians losse or sending them more money and weapons.

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And why don't you apply the same logic when the Russian sources admit their losses.... The WP has published that the Ukrainian losses in Kherson have been 4 to 1, however, it is the opinion of a person who belongs to a battalion, he only talks about his battalion.... There is no field test or study to confirm such a statement, however, you take it to mean that the Ukrainians have lost 4 times more men than the Russians in the offensive, you repeat it a thousand Sometimes, as if that experience is that of all the units... When the information is according to their narrative, they take it raw, without analysis and spread it as propaganda.... And I ask him, in addition to an opinion in WP, what is your great evidence that the Ukrainians have lost 4 times more men than the Russians in Kherson????

sheogorath said:

I'm not the one taking delight on the death of people

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No, you only revel in an infamous invasion, which has brought deaths... What you do is justify the invasion, separatism and try to minimize the military losses of the invaders, even when there is evidence from the same pro-invasion sources... .. That's all

Biscuits said:

China itself proved that guns, artillery, good intelligence, good comms and mission oriented units is all you need to take massive ground from someone spamming tanks and planes thinking it makes up for local force concentration and ISR. And Ukraine outnumbers RU much more than PVA did to USFK, AFU is several times bigger while USFK was similar size and they still got rolled much harder. So I'm not claiming AFU is as professional as PVA but they can still achieve success.

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Yea, but you need the numbers to make that happen. It seems like the numbers issue isn’t exactly AFU vs RU but more like AFU vs Mostly Militia specifically in Eastern Ukraine. So progress is much more slower and breakthroughs cannot be exploited with such low numbers.

Overbom said:

He asked for a source. Who made that list?
This list could be made by anybody, so it isn't credible

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This list is from Oryx. Oryx sometimes makes posts like this on Twitter to list the units and equipment lost during a campaign.

Sheleah said:

The WP has published that the Ukrainian losses in Kherson have been 4 to 1, however, it is the opinion of a person who belongs to a battalion, he only talks about his battalion

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Sheleah said:

. And I ask him, in addition to an opinion in WP, what is your great evidence that the Ukrainians have lost 4 times more men than the Russians in Kherson????

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As if offensive-wide losses tend to be condensed to a single battalion and can't be extrapolated from there. Then there is the fact that Ukranian gains around Kherson have been minimal if at all, and you don't just walk away from an offensive with minimal gains with massive losses.

There are videos of ukranians BMP's crossing wide open fields getting obliterated by artillery, videos which you usually ignore, for someone claiming to post only facts regardless of side.

Then there is another point on how the article indicates pretty much a lot of the people involved aren't soldiers and have minimal combat experience. Thats a recipe for massive losses, no matter how you try to cut it; that along with the fact that Ukraine is in its, what, 5th drafting cycle?.

Sheleah said:

No, you only revel in an infamous invasion, which has brought deaths... What you do is justify the invasion, separatism and try to minimize the military losses of the invaders, even when there is evidence from the same pro-invasion sources... .. That's all

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I only "revel" in it in the context of what it means for the end of american and european white surpemacism backed by NATO and the rise of China and the geopolitical context and its effect, outside the moral and legal aspect of it all. Far from textually masturbating myself over dead people, which is how each one of your posts come accross.

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Sinnavuuty said:

This list is from Oryx. Oryx sometimes makes posts like this on Twitter to list the units and equipment lost during a campaign.

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Oryx moment

theyre the same people as belligcat, US state dept mouthpiece responsible for the Syria chemical weapons hoax

Interesting how people like that always celebrate infamous invasions like Iraq or Afghanistan and threatens others with war crimes, but now we have a "moral pregorative" to root for Ukraine because they're the defenders against evil Russian separatist. Just don't ask these supposed "OSINT" feds what their opinion on Chinese separatists are.

sheogorath said:

As offensive-wide losses tend to be condensed to a single battalion and can't be extrapolated from there. Then there is the fact that Ukranian gains around Kherson have been minimal if at all, and you don't just walk away from an offensive with minimal gains with massive losses.

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The opinion of a soldier disconcerted by enemy fire cannot be extrapolated to the position of his battalion, to all the Ukrainian units, since some have evidently achieved victories and advances... That you take that opinion as "great evidence" to adjust your narrative does not mean that it is 100% fulfilled

The gains in Kherson are proportional to the time and the resistance that it has had... Calls "minimal" to the actions of a week, which made more advances than the Russians in several months, in addition to the fact that the Russians took the areas in Kherson in February, they have been creating fortifications since then, and even more so with the announcements of offensive by the Ukrainians in previous months, time that the Russians have had to carry reserves.... If the fortifications in Donets make the Russians make millimeter advances, I don't see how you now associate the Ukrainian offensives in Kherson with a failure, when they have made more progress than advertised by the Russian troops

sheogorath said:

Then there is another point on how the article indicates pretty much a lot of the people involved aren't soldiers and have minimal combat experience. Thats a recipe for massive losses, no matter how you try to cut it; that along with the fact that Ukraine is in its, what, 5th drafting cycle?.

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It must be very sad that some simple conscripts can push back the 2nd best army in the world... Although I don't see any surprise in it, in Ukraine there is a general war effort since the beginning of the invasion...

For you that the Russians have to mobilize manpower inexperienced in manning armored vehicles, and send them desperately to the front with poor training, is a symptom that there are many casualties on the Russian side, I suppose

sheogorath said:

I only "revel" in it in the context of what it means for the end of american and european white surpemacism backed by NATO and the rise of China, outside the moral and legal aspect of it all. Far from textual masturbating myself over dead people, which is how each one of your posts come accross.

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Oh ok, you mean to tell me that you masturbate with what for you is the end of American white supremacism, and you sell yourself to the invasions carried out by the Russian Whites, who also have many supremacists in their ranks.... I'm surprised by your morality and your logic,

greetings.





On the other hand, information has come out that some Russian units near Kherson are negotiating conditions to surrender

Russian units near Kherson negotiating surrender, Ukraine says​

The % of subsonic cruise missiles being shot down is pretty remarkable and has a lot of implications for a lot of folks. Maybe this is why CN seems to prefer supersonic/hypersonic over subsonic

Sheleah said:

On the other hand, information has come out that some Russian units near Kherson are negotiating conditions to surrender

Russian units near Kherson negotiating surrender, Ukraine says​

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“Information” as in propaganda because the Kherson front is completely stable and the Ukrainians got shelled into oblivion there

It’s amusing how you keep telling everyone to stop believing in meh Ruskie propaganda. Everything they say is fake news. Then you turn around and blindly post this nonsense without question.