I am not sure why so many people are treating this single victory as some kind of super turning point when the Ukrainians in one front has lost lots of men (in the thousands) and the territories that Ukraine did take, their was minimal Russian lives lost. True that Russia is greatly constrained in what they can do given that this isn’t a full scale invasion but a special operation but the gains are considerable from where they did start. Given that war is an evolving matter, Russia will have to address there tactics and given the fire power that they still have and how Ukraine has put that much effort to push deep into Russian territory, one mustn’t rule out the prospects of yet another cauldron popping up in territory that Russia has more familiarity with. The western media is going all out with the media to create a sense of uncertainty to obvious confuse everyone but it’s better to wait and see until things end to get a much better picture. Ukraine has already lost a great deal of equipment and fire power already and while they did take territory, unless Ukraine has received the same number of shells that Russia has as well as air support and somehow hundreds of himars that we don’t know about, this offensive will eventually fizzle out and then thing may turn.
The War in the Ukraine
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PLA was not chicken because it was successfully deterring Taiwan from becoming a US military base or going independent (becoming full US vassal) without fighting.
The fact that Russia had to fight Ukraine in the first place instead of pushing its interests without fighting is already a loss, just like how US fighting Iraq and getting nothing for it except allowing China to rise was a loss.
Alot of westerners - this includes Russians - think that Sun Tzu was just talking some pacifist philosophical mumbo jumbo when he said that the height of war is to achieve your objectives without war. They rather believe in Bismark or Napoleon. Well, China's still around while Germany got castrated in the end and French Empire is not much of an empire anymore. So who really won?
They pretty much ditched all the pro-Russian Ukrainians during the retreat. If their stated goal is to "liberate the people from Ukro-Nazis", they have failed in that regard. Assuming that they manage to recover the territory. Would the locals still be supportive?
That's true, one the reason that CPC win civil war was because they are able to admit defeat and retreat to fight another day.
The problem is I don't see that in Russia... It's not because they cannot fight, it's their lack of willingness to do anything serious. All Russia do was keep complaining to their enemy about attack on their soil (as if that gonna make anything better) but do almost nothing about it. They still have Tank Biathlon and Vostok excercise going on while their soldiers and millitia fight in Ukraine, their MOD keep talking the same script over and over about how many AFU equipments destroyed yet the frontline have no significant change for months. And when they got their ass kicked out of Kharkov region, they act like they are expected that and it was all planned when it's clearly not.
This is not Russia total defeat but after months of this so called SMO, one would expect them to learn something and not repeat the same mistake over and over again. Now they lost their major supply line and have to gain it back somehow in the future. More live will be lost and good luck finding local support when you turn you back on them like that (if some of them still alive).
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You win some, you lose some, if this is a pernament retreat then yes, it will definitely look bad and yes even the best military’s in the world will screw up from time to time but again we need to wait and see what Russia will do in response to this predicament. The problem I see now is that the west believes that this loss of face is somehow going to translate into some lord of the ring turn around, but the real world is much more complicated. Given how the western situation is poor all over the place, one of to victories isn’t going to change everything, provided something is done about it.
It would be nice if Russia dispenses with all the office based logic and finally make good use of there hypersonic missiles to really blow shit up. But then again, I do wonder what will it take for Russia to finally target the actual leadership in Kyiv to decapitate the chain of command because instead of fooling around. Maybe they do have a plan but I guess we need to wait and see for a few weeks to see how things go.
I always do have an impression that the Chinese military is a force that so many have under estimated time and again and ultimately it seems to be the one force that the US goes out of its way to avoid
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The state of Russian politics is extremely sad, it seem like they want to have it both ways, victory but lacks the motivation to prepare or sacrifice for it in the slightest, all just to keep the sense of normalcy going.
In attempt to have it both ways, they'll in the end realising that they'll end up with neither.
In attempt to have it both ways, they'll in the end realising that they'll end up with neither.
If the broader Russian society themselves don't care enough to want to fight in Ukraine, Chechens aren't going to be much better. People are only good at doing things that care about.
The problem here isn't an issue of lacking equipment or potentially good fighters, but the complete mismatch in the will to fight at basically every levels.
The issue was never about the public opinion of Russians. It’s Putin decision to put the Russian Army as a supporting role and keeping an hands off approach to Ukraine.
The Russian Mi-8MTV-5 helicopter was named the Mad Eight after one of its sorties in Ukraine. The Mi-8MTV-5 is a modern modification of the Mi-8MT helicopter, developed taking into account the experience of combat use.
The MTLB tractor was modernized in Donetsk. The car was equipped with protection and a 23-mm ZU-23-2 twin anti-aircraft gun, and a 12.7 Utes machine gun was also installed.
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine showed the exercises of the Marine Corps of Ukraine. The video shows one of the units crossing the river, the location of the exercises is unknown.
The Russian army, using Mi-26 transport helicopters, is transferring troops to the Kharkov direction to create a strike group of troops. Details and the purpose of the transfer of Russian troops are in the interview with the military correspondent in the video
Footage of lost and abandoned Ukrainian military equipment in the Izyumsko-Kupyansky direction. The video shows three Ukrainian-made infantry fighting vehicles and a new Turkish-made Kirpi armored personnel carrier. And two armored personnel carriers and a pickup truck from one of the mobile groups.
The MTLB tractor was modernized in Donetsk. The car was equipped with protection and a 23-mm ZU-23-2 twin anti-aircraft gun, and a 12.7 Utes machine gun was also installed.
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine showed the exercises of the Marine Corps of Ukraine. The video shows one of the units crossing the river, the location of the exercises is unknown.
The Russian army, using Mi-26 transport helicopters, is transferring troops to the Kharkov direction to create a strike group of troops. Details and the purpose of the transfer of Russian troops are in the interview with the military correspondent in the video
Footage of lost and abandoned Ukrainian military equipment in the Izyumsko-Kupyansky direction. The video shows three Ukrainian-made infantry fighting vehicles and a new Turkish-made Kirpi armored personnel carrier. And two armored personnel carriers and a pickup truck from one of the mobile groups.