The War in the Ukraine

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plawolf said:
It’s quite funny looking at all the anti-Russian members go totally overboard with their premature wild celebrations. One major defeat and the Russians have lost the war with even more ridiculous clams about how this would be the end of the Russian nation once and for all and wet dreaming about carving Russia up. And they have the nerve to accuse others of cope!

The war is long from over and Ukraine will need many many more victories of this scare and far bigger to have any hope of just kicking the Russians out of Ukraine.

Let’s first see what the Russian response is and how their counter attack goes before dreaming of owning your own holiday home in the Urals with a Thorne made up of Russian skulls.
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This is the age of Twitter, YouTube, and Tiktok where instant information sharing and instant gratification are the norm.

That said, I think most people are shocked by the fact that Russians essentially ditched large swaths of their gains with no resistance.
 
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Botnet said:
I've heard reports that its about on the same scale as the Kherson and Kharkiv ones...
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One thing is for sure. If there is an offensive on Mariupol and Lysychansk and Russia fails to defend for shit. It’s possible that the civilian population in Donbas and Lugansk may collapse into a rout and panic.

Apparently, people are already packing their bags and if they leave then there could be a high risk that the militia just implodes alongside the frontlines. We all know the frontlines are being manned by the milita and not the Russian Army.
 
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SampanViking said:
A lot of the claims have been overblown and even the Ukrainians are admitting this.
This seems to be the most accurate map I have seen so far of the situation at present.
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The map is outdated. RU has admitted they withdrew from Izyum, ostensibly to reinforce the Donbas push. Ukraine has been geolocated in Western Kupyansk at the government building and in various other places.
 
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In fact, the Ukrainian counter-offensive got off to a very bad start. It opened in the south, in the Kherson region. Kherson, which is predominantly Russian-speaking, was the first major Ukrainian city to fall to the Russians and it has strategic importance for ensuring Russian domination of the Black Sea littoral. However, first results of the Ukrainian attacks there were disastrous for the Ukrainian armed forces. It soon was obvious that they had deployed new recruits who had little or no military experience. The infantry attacked across open terrain where they were easily destroyed in vast numbers by the Russian defenders of Kherson. I have heard the figure of 5,000 Ukrainian casualties in the Kherson counter offensive. Obviously the Russians were jubilant, though there were reports of some Ukrainian reservists being withdrawn from the field of action for redeployment elsewhere.
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Said Solovyov, Russia should throw off constraints and destroy the Ukrainian dual use infrastructure which makes it possible to move Western weapons across the country to the front. The railway system, the bridges, the electricity generating stations all should become fair targets. Moreover, Kiev should no longer be spared missile strikes and destruction of the ministries and presidential apparatus responsible for prosecution of the war. I note that these ideas were aired on the Solovyov program more than a month ago but then disappeared from view while the Russians were making great gains on the ground. The latest setbacks and the new risks associated with the Western policies set out at Ramstein bring them to the surface again.
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Russia has announced a pullback from Kharkov. That's good. They shouldn't fight for an area they don't have the manpower to defend. At least pull back from Izyum and use the Oskil river as a natural defensive line. It sucks for the civilians there who collaborated with the Russians though. Doubly so for those in Kherson, since that's the next area the Russia might have to pull back from. The latter scenario would be using the Dnipro as a defensive line.

Of course, a general mobilization would be the best option, but Putin refuses. At this rate, the Russians will lose all their gains this year and possibly more. Sigh.
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
Russia has announced a pullback from Kharkov. That's good. They shouldn't fight for an area they don't have the manpower to defend. At least pull back from Izyum and use the Oskil river as a natural defensive line. It sucks for the civilians there who collaborated with the Russians though. Doubly so for those in Kherson, since that's the next area the Russia might have to pull back from. The latter scenario would be using the Dnipro as a defensive line.

Of course, a general mobilization would be the best option, but Putin refuses. At this rate, the Russians will lose all their gains this year and possibly more. Sigh.
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Kherson has proven resilient. Russia occupied up to the borders of fields so any offensive has to cross open plains where they're easy food for artillery and air power.

Kharkiv is a huge center of gravity for the region and is too tough to crack without mobilization.

Actually I think Ukrainian strategy here is good. Giving up on trying to retake Kherson and only doing harassing fire, while moving the war north where there's more cover is the smart thing to do.
 
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