The War in the Ukraine

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gelgoog

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LawLeadsToPeace said:
Based on what I have read, a declaration of war would require a massive mobilization and the deployment of conscripts. Such acts would require Russia's economy to orient to a war economy which isn't good for Russia, and the populace would be drastically affected, which is something they won't like for sure. Plus, it would be seen as Putin admitting Ukraine is a peer adversary although perceive Ukraine as a weak, corrupt state that requires "liberation".
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Nonsense. Declaring a war would enable Putin to mobilize the reserves sure. But these wouldn't be untrained conscripts but those who went through the whole course. As is Russia is increasing the size of its armed forces by like 100k this year. So it won't matter.

Overbom said:
I don't see how doing the barely accepted minimum for an airforce absolves them from blame.

The catalogue of problems in the RuAF has been very well documented and analysed. That they have scored some air to air kills, doesn't change this fact. From R&D, to procurement, to training, to operations, the RuAF has serious deficiencies in all of the above areas.
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The Russians (almost) got an ace. A guy downed 4 aircraft and 1 drone. They did pretty much ok.
I think the main issue they had was the Su-34 wasn't made for environments with high density of air to air missiles like that. But the Su-34M fixes most of the issues since it comes with MAWS for example. And if you look at losses of fighters with MAWS like the Su-35 then losses have been really limited. Even if you look at Su-34 losses they changed the engagement doctrine to high altitude attacks and so you haven't seen a lot of shootdowns recently. The Ka-52M is also supposed to include 8km+ range sensors and 16km range weapons which should make them able to operate and strike outside the range of basically all shoulder launched air to air missiles.
 
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pmc

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Botnet said:
They were able to withdraw because the Ukrainians were incompetent, they couldn't even properly encircle Balakliya. They wouldn't be scrambling and launching airlifts to reinforce Kupyansk and Izium if they were prepared. I dont think any serious commentator has disputed that Russia got caught with their pants down.
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do you think launching airlift is not part of warfare?. otherwise it would be like deploying fighting force in every corner policing and not have proper rest.
both engagement and disengagement is part of it. not just moving forward but extracting also need skill to execute.
there is risk involve using airlift on bigger scale. not many countries can afford it in prolong conflict.

 
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texx1

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alfreddango said:
Chinese y-20 repeatedly in moscow
To be honest I don’t really know whether this is even the right thread for this news, given that it might not be military assistance

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1568297738659368963
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One aircraft is too little for military assistance. Russia and China just had a large exercise. Some PLA officers could be making a visit to Moscow for talks after the exercise.
 
BoraTas

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gelgoog said:
As if Russia did not have a strategic bomber force about the same size as the US. If they wanted to carpet bomb the shit out of Ukraine they could. Russia has 18x Tu-160, 63x Tu-22M3, 55x Tu-95MS. The US has 20x B-2, 62x B-1, 76x B-52. Russia can basically obliterate whole cities with conventional bombardment if they wanted to.
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Russia hasn't shown any capability to conduct high altitude flights in face of Ukrainian air defense
 
Broccoli

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Overbom said:
I don't see how doing the barely accepted minimum for an airforce absolves them from blame.

The catalogue of problems in the RuAF has been very well documented and analysed. That they have scored some air to air kills, doesn't change this fact. From R&D, to procurement, to training, to operations, the RuAF has serious deficiencies in all of the above areas.

Would you accept the current RuAF clownshow if this was the USAF or PLAAF?
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Let's not forget that RuAF is operating against much weaker opponent right on their own border and that makes everything look much worse for them.
 
Broccoli

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BoraTas said:
Russia hasn't shown any capability to conduct high altitude flights in face of Ukrainian air defense
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Ukraine has multiple S-300, BUK-M1, NASAMS (not sure about that yet), fighters aircrafts what can shoot down strategic bombers and it wouldn't look good if RuAF begun loosing their Tu-160 or Tu-22M3 fleets.
 
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Zichan

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gelgoog said:
As if Russia did not have a strategic bomber force about the same size as the US. If they wanted to carpet bomb the shit out of Ukraine they could. Russia has 18x Tu-160, 63x Tu-22M3, 55x Tu-95MS. The US has 20x B-2, 62x B-1, 76x B-52. Russia can basically obliterate whole cities with conventional bombardment if they wanted to.
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Wouldn’t half their bombers get shot down by Ukrainian air defense?
 
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