The War in the Ukraine

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Sinnavuuty

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The Russians are in a war of attrition on a broad and at the same time closed front, cohesive and advancing slowly, but advancing and gaining ground, while advancing it consolidates the conquered territory, in this way it is conquering at low losses of the regular military forces. .

For example, between last Thursday and Friday, the Russians began offensive operations in the Kheson region, taking a city, Blahodatne, and expanding the pocket around Oleksandrivka. Ukrainian sources cite a large Russian unit advancing from three directions through Oleksandrivka. Preliminarily, it appears to be an attempt to attack Mykolaiv in pincers, but it's good to wait.
 
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Sheleah

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Russia deploys the so-called 3rd Army Corps, made up of volunteers... Apparently receiving modern armored units like T-80s and T-90s

However, reports say they are untrained and undisciplined volunteers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1563490266283376640

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1563853802981101568

How long is the minimum required to train combat-ready tank crews, as well as operators of artillery and air defense systems, especially if the training is for volunteers with little experience in these systems???...
 
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In order for an attrition war to work, Ukraine's population has to fall below 10 million at which point it becomes combat ineffective against Russia due to being out numbered too heavily. It this strategy works, it would take 10 to 50 years for this to happen, depending on how fast Ukraine's population falls. Currently Ukraine's population sits at about 29 million due to a sudden mass exodus of refugees to Russia and the West, other Eastern European countries. The ones who remain are nationalists and will likely fight, die, get maimed, or get captured. So it will take a long time from now to bring Ukraine's population down to less than 10 million. Disease and low birth rate due to war do make an impact. However, Russia has so far refrained from targeting civilian infrastructure which would hasten Ukraine's fall in population down to pre industrial level. If Russia does target civilian infrastructure then Ukraine's population would be able to fall below 10 million within a few years. If not, it would take decades, driven by low birth rate and high death rate and deteriorating health care.
 
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Sheleah

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According to the DPR militias, these would be their casualties... Something not really credible


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taxiya

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Ukrainian forces are falling back meaning they have little capability to conduct battle damage assessment.
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Any side without control of the battle ground but claiming casualty numbers of the enemy is just plain lair. They can't even be sure of their own casualties because the missing ones can be killed but body not recovered or captured or simply deserted.
 
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taxiya

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XiDada said:
Whatever source I cite will just be dismissed by most people here as "westoid propaganda" and it's not like Russia is going to come clean about their losses either.
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Are all your sources from the west (Ukraine included)? Forget about the word propaganda if you dislike it, all your sources are from the west, right? We are not even talking about how these numbers are obtained since whenever battle line moves, Ukraine lost control of the battle field giving them no way to count the dead and wounded Russians. And you expect people to give some weight to your claim?

The basic is that whoever control the battle ground after the fight is the only one able to provide accurate count, Ukraine is not the one.
 
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TongHua said:
In order for an attrition war to work, Ukraine's population has to fall below 10 million at which point it becomes combat ineffective against Russia due to being out numbered too heavily. It this strategy works, it would take 10 to 50 years for this to happen, depending on how fast Ukraine's population falls. Currently Ukraine's population sits at about 29 million due to a sudden mass exodus of refugees to Russia and the West, other Eastern European countries. The ones who remain are nationalists and will likely fight, die, get maimed, or get captured. So it will take a long time from now to bring Ukraine's population down to less than 10 million. Disease and low birth rate due to war do make an impact. However, Russia has so far refrained from targeting civilian infrastructure which would hasten Ukraine's fall in population down to pre industrial level. If Russia does target civilian infrastructure then Ukraine's population would be able to fall below 10 million within a few years. If not, it would take decades, driven by low birth rate and high death rate and deteriorating health care.
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Unless the West starts forking the bill then Ukraine isn’t going to last decades because their economy will long gone before your estimated dates. DW is the first Western Media to admit a couple days ago that there is a high risk Ukraine may enter into hyperinflation.
 
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Drive article claims Russia is running out of Iskander-M, with at most 20% stockpile remaining (citing Ukrainian source). To that I say....doubtful, at least the 20% number, but I do think the stockpile has decreased to the point where they can't use it liberally to strike a couple of Uragans or a single Buk like they did a couple of months ago.

Ukrainians and the West have been claiming Russia will run out since March. Now it's the end of August there definitely hasn't been as many videos of Iskander attacks recently (except maybe that troop transport train that got wrecked a few days ago), but I think that's because Russia needs to save some in case of NATO intervention. They wouldn't spend 80% of their Iskander-Ms on Ukraine.

Anyone have a tally of how many Iskander-M strikes have been performed so far?
 
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Drive article claims Russia is running out of Iskander-M, with at most 20% stockpile remaining (citing Ukrainian source). To that I say....doubtful, at least the 20% number, but I do think the stockpile has decreased to the point where they can't use it liberally to strike a couple of Uragans or a single Buk like they did a couple of months ago.

Ukrainians and the West have been claiming Russia will run out since March. Now it's the end of August there definitely hasn't been as many videos of Iskander attacks recently (except maybe that troop transport train that got wrecked a few days ago), but I think that's because Russia needs to save some in case of NATO intervention. They wouldn't spend 80% of their Iskander-Ms on Ukraine.

Anyone have a tally of how many Iskander-M strikes have been performed so far?
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Can we please stop participating in circulation of misinformation? Russia builds more Iskander than it is launching every single month.

Just like most news from the West, turn them 180° around and you will be surprised how close they are to reality. Empire of Lies is very fitting and will be written in every history book.
 
Sinnavuuty

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Sheleah said:
How long is the minimum required to train combat-ready tank crews, as well as operators of artillery and air defense systems, especially if the training is for volunteers with little experience in these systems???...
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Between 3 to 6 weeks of training. A very different situation is training for vehicle maintenance and logistical operating systems, this takes longer than the learning curve of operating the systems themselves.

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Drive article claims Russia is running out of Iskander-M, with at most 20% stockpile remaining (citing Ukrainian source). To that I say....doubtful, at least the 20% number, but I do think the stockpile has decreased to the point where they can't use it liberally to strike a couple of Uragans or a single Buk like they did a couple of months ago.

Ukrainians and the West have been claiming Russia will run out since March. Now it's the end of August there definitely hasn't been as many videos of Iskander attacks recently (except maybe that troop transport train that got wrecked a few days ago), but I think that's because Russia needs to save some in case of NATO intervention. They wouldn't spend 80% of their Iskander-Ms on Ukraine.

Anyone have a tally of how many Iskander-M strikes have been performed so far?
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I think this is a mistake. Estimates show that the Russians launched something around 300 Iskanders (Iskander-M and K), it is known that there are 13 Iskander missile brigades with 48 Iskander missiles each, which totals something around 630 missiles. I would say that if this is a statement from the missiles deployed to the Ukrainian theater, without necessarily including the Iskanders from other theaters, it would be true, even more so if you think that most of the Iskanders launched were the Iskander-M.
 
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