The War in the Ukraine

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tygyg1111

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Janiz said:
lol, Wagner group mercenaries are top elite like Spetsnaz :D

You're talking about the same Wagner group mercenaries that avoided at all cost encounters with US Army in Syria or French troops in Africa? We all know how they fare against regular troops (not elite). Nothing great. They aren't super troops. They might be brutal to civilians but aren't any kind of superior warriors especially going against well organized enemy troops. Any commander would take 1000 well equipped and trained regular pro soldiers over 1000 Wagner mercs.
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Sources, pray tell?

I wondered how it feels when missiles are coming at you when you're operating within SAM battery. And it seems like we have a footage. Fortunately for the crew this time GMLRS wasn't aimed at them and lost a group of missiles from the radar after few seconds. But it seems like very stressful work.
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Dunno. Hell on earth? Look no further than the UAF and western mercenaries in Ukraine
 
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Surpluswarrior

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Groups like Wagner are not considered as Russian armed forces by the United States in Syria.

If Wagner left the Russian air defense area, it would be bombed and destroyed by U.S. airpower. Not having any air force or much air defense of their own.

I recall an incident like this happening in Syria. A Wagner group moved to take on its own contract outside of the Russian zone, and was simply eliminated by USAF.
 
sheogorath

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Janiz said:
Any commander would take 1000 well equipped and trained regular pro soldiers over 1000 Wagner mercs.
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I'd probably take 1000 Wagners over 10.000 redditors, though in Ukraine's case beggars can't be choosers.

Janiz said:
I wondered how it feels when missiles are coming at you when you're operating within SAM battery.
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Not any different than an S300 or Strela operator being on the receiving end of a Kh-31P or a Kh-59, though at least the Tor operators have a way better chance of intercepting it, particularly if they are being supported by Pantsirs. Same can't be said for the poor saps maning what's left of Ukraine AD.

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A military instalation was hit in Yelenovka with the HIMARS, turns out, apparently it was a detention center for Azov POW's, according to Russian claims. This seems to be confirmed by the Ukranians by claiming it was actually the Russians shelling their own prison to blame Ukraine of war crimes, as you do, of course.

Source is ASB's telegram account but it comes with a lot of graphic content so I'll avoid linking to it.
 
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Biscuits

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Janiz said:
lol, Wagner group mercenaries are top elite like Spetsnaz :D

You're talking about the same Wagner group mercenaries that avoided at all cost encounters with US Army in Syria or French troops in Africa? We all know how they fare against regular troops (not elite). Nothing great. They aren't super troops. They might be brutal to civilians but aren't any kind of superior warriors especially going against well organized enemy troops. Any commander would take 1000 well equipped and trained regular pro soldiers over 1000 Wagner mercs. They might be there at the top of the spear but it only stems from the fact that Russian commanders would rather save their regular troops and use mercenaries for that with "to hell with them" attitude rather than using them as some sort of special forces. You can complain all you want about the Russian army but it isn't Congo in 1964 where mercenaries can be considered anything more than cannon fodder.

First there were Chechens as some sort of super troops, now it's Wagner group lol.

I wondered how it feels when missiles are coming at you when you're operating within SAM battery. And it seems like we have a footage. Fortunately for the crew this time GMLRS wasn't aimed at them and lost a group of missiles from the radar after few seconds. But it seems like very stressful work.

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Why would Wagner group's mission be to specifically hunt down US or French troops? Feels kinda suicidal given that Wagner air force isn't a thing.

I wouldn't exactly consider them elites. Russia's own troops have the benefit of being closer integrated to the mission command, although Wagner veterans of other conflicts could contribute useful training to LDPR troops. Neither were the Chechens anything special, its only cuz they have that regional official that like to televise everything he does.

Source of them being brutal to civilians?
 
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Abominable

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Special forces means very little in conventional war, unless you are using them to fight behind enemy lines. On both sides so far they've all been deployed as regular infantry units as "shock troops".

Wagner consists of ex-soldiers who've deployed to multiple theatres around the world. They are more experience and likely to be more disciplined than regular 19 year old Russian soldiers who've just come out of conscription service.

Many Chechen forces also look old, I bet many fought in the Chechen war. Add to that their Islamic fevour, I'm not surprised they are the soldiers the Ukrainians fear the most.
 
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Janiz

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Biscuits said:
Source of them being brutal to civilians?
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Straight from UN:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Or you can google searching for Wagner group with random words from a list of rape, torture, execution etc.

sheogorath said:
is seems to be confirmed by the Ukranians by claiming it was actually the Russians shelling their own prison to blame Ukraine of war crimes, as you do, of course.
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It wouldn't be anything new under the sun


In English:
Russia consistently prepares the ground for the destruction of Azov prisoners in Donetsk by a strike of "Ukrainian" artillery​
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memfisa

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Seems The Russians started to release interrogations of Azov POWs who took part in massacres in Mariupol, and also witness accounts from Mariupol residents who both corroborate accusations of executing civilians attempting to flee through humanitarian corridors, being ordered to fire on civilians by someone in command positions.

A few videos been getting reshared on telegram Channels since yesterday

Well now it makes sense why the nazi regime would see it very important to attempt to kill those POWs as soon as possible

Let's see if anyone pays attention, or if they ignore it, which will give more evidence to Russians of a NATO conspiracy to kill off their people.

This is a fork in the road of this game. And remember everyone, there are no nazis in Ukraine, no bio labs, no genocide, everything is OK.

Funny as well, is that suddenly Ukrainians release footage of supposed Russian soldiers castration Ukrainian POWs. Interesting timing for such a release from a country who's officials proclaimed they will castrate Russian POWs, and did exactly that, and even shared video footage of it months ago.
 
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Janiz

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memfisa said:
A few videos been getting reshared on telegram Channels since yesterdat
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That's because of the video that was circulated since yesterday showing castration of Ukrainian POW. That's the reason. And it's not from interrogation. Graphic stuff.

I don't think that anyone believes Russian materials about brutality of Ukrainian forces.
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Let's see if anyone pays attention, or if they ignore it, which will give more evidence to Russians of a NATO conspiracy to kill off their people.
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Yes, NATO countries are well know for that.
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Now it seems the Ukrainians managed to kill 53 Azov POWs with a HIMARs strike. Maybe I've been too harsh on them.
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lol, and how many guards were killed in the strike?

Let me guess - none?
 
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