The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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Alternatively Russia blew up the prison to hide evidence of torture/war crimes?

Was the prison about to fall into Ukranian hands that they needed to dispose of it?. Considering how deep into Donetsk it was, I'm going say: No.


Also, Russians didn't seem to care about covering their mass murder of Bucha residents, according to Ukraine, and we all know they are blood thirsty savages but now somehow they need to cover up torturing members of Azov.


Occam's razor say this is just an ukranian fuck up at best.


Those HIMARS fragments sure did rust quickly ;)
Yes, steel rust faster after being exposed to heat

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SampanViking

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I think Avoz battalion is a bit of misdirection.
What is true is that Russian forces have started to advance again and new prisoners have been captured.
This will include from Right Sector who were in the area of the Thermal plant captured a few days ago. But also regular Ukrainian army as well

It is pretty standard wartime procedure to seek to eliminate high value individuals who are captured by the enemy, before they are forced to reveal information of a very significant strategic value
It may well be that the Russians did not even know the significance of who they had captured. I doubt they would have been kept under a prison run by the DPR if they had.

The Ukrainian side had better be sure that they got their man. It would be quite devastating if they did this and the Russians got the individual of interest. If nothing else they have signposted in big neon letters that there is an asset of great value possibly in their possession!
 

memfisa

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Those HIMARS fragments sure did rust quickly ;)

Alternatively Russia blew up the prison to hide evidence of torture/war crimes?

What is rust? Well it's the result of a chemical reaction between iron and oxygen called oxidization.

Let's talk about an oxygen acetylene torch. People think it melts it's way through metal, well it doesn't. The heat is only intended to bring the metal to a hot temperature in order to accelerate oxidization. When you get the metal hot enough, you pull the oxygen lever to introduce a blast of oxygen and dramatically accelerate to oxidization process to the point it's vaporizing. There are byproducts as well, like slag, which some pieces will fall on the floor or melt through the top of your shoes.

My entire point is heat, which a rocket that shoots flames out of its ass and then explodes in a fire ball, produces lots of, is going to rust or oxidize very quickly unless it's made of some type of exotic alloy which is prohibitively and needlessly expensive.

Take a look at a burnt out car, it will be rusted in a day.

But yes I'm sure those crafty Russians from Mordor blew up the POWs they were holding for months, and tossed some chunks of some American mlrs rockets on the ground to cover it up.
 

Suetham

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Ukraine bombed, possibly with HIMARS, a Russian detention center where there were Ukrainian POWs, many from Azov, overnight. The center is in Yelenovka, about 53 prisoners were killed. Three hours after the Russians released footage of the attack, the Ukrainian MoD made a note accusing the Russians of bombing the center itself, as if it were new news.

Result of this, in addition to the dead? Even pro-Ukraine is bombing the twitter of the MoD and other Ukrainian entities on social media and telegram. Looks like the Ukrainian administration is trying hard to screw themselves!

In the middle of the week, the Ukrainians use 9M27K3 rockets against residential areas of Donetsk. These rockets disperse 312 PFM-1 anti-personnel mines, dropped into civilian areas.

According to Spiegel, the Ukrainians have requested more tubes for the Pzh2000, as they have apparently done a little maintenance on them - they say they are even managing to do it - and are overloading the tubes with more than the recommended shots, more than 100 a day.

DPR keeps pushing forward and pushing the AFU away from Adveenvka. Furthermore, the Russians launched a major offensive after the fall of the Vuhlehirsk power plant, which secures their lines of communication:
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Now, the Russians are fighting in the southern suburbs of Soledar and are approaching direct engagement in Bakhmut after the fall of the main stronghold in the region, which was Pokrovske:
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What I see is that the Russians are using the forceps to bypass the city and go directly to the hills that are on the southwest side of the city, which practically prevent the Russians from taking direct control of the city, at the risk of taking indirect and direct fire from these positions, more like what it was with Lysychansk and the domination of high points near the city before entering it. Hills have great military value.
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According to some reports, Russia heavily reinforced the Kherson region. If confirmed, Spetsnaz have been reinforced and now number 32 Reconnaissance and Sabotage Detachments; up to 9 BTGs were transferred to the region; the VDV Brigades would have received reinforcements and would have totaled over 11,000 troops; The 19th Motorized Infantry Division would have been reinforced with T-90 tanks, the model is not known, in addition to more artillery pieces and the Tochka-U already mentioned (these last two confirmed); Malka pieces were sent to Kherson, totaling something equivalent to 16 pieces along with 18 of the 240 mm heavy mortar; and more Ka-52 and Mi-28N helicopters, based near Chaplinka.

If indeed the Russians sent this and the AFU knows but will try the offensive, it will be all the Russians want to start their own offensive against Mykolaiv. In fact, such an Offensive began, as the AFU managed to build two bridges at Adriivka and Lozove, but the Russians retreated, managed to destroy both bridges and crushed the troops that had retreated. It is not yet known if the Russians returned to these cities, but what is known is that the AFU had to swim back across Rio. Another attempt was near the village of Blahodativka, but they failed to cross the river straight under fire. Considering how quickly the Russians acted, they already knew where and when the AFU would cross the Rivers, as the response was almost immediate:
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I imagine if the T-90 was sent to Kherson, maybe it's a move against the PT-91s. The PT-91s, some of them, received a 3rd generation thermal vision fire system, but it is not known if they are all. Therefore, they are well ahead of the T-62M and T-72B3 that could be in the region, in addition to the cannon being able to fire modern ammunition. In addition to the T-90's own armor, superior to any of the Ts in operation, especially the passive.

However, what makes me think most about sending T-90s to the region is considering it an offensive, as the AFU is not in a position to prevent Russian aviation and artillery from destroying these PT-91s before they can engage any armored vehicle, however considering a defensive factor, it is more likely that there will be a clash against the PT-91.
 

Soldier30

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An unusual episode of the battle on the Izyum front in Ukraine, near the village of Bogorodichnoye, was caught on video. Somehow, in an incredible way, three Russian tanks and an armored personnel carrier of Ukraine ended up next to each other and did not immediately notice each other. In the video you can see how they literally ride next to each other.

 

zhangjim

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Looks like the Ukrainians don't think too highly of Germanic engineering. From a German/Ukrainian source:

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In other words, the Germans seem to have a very problematic understanding of the war.

In the past, there were many video games and magazines that portrayed Western weapons as excellent, but in the future I think they will have to adjust the in-game data downward based on their actual performance.
 
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