The War in the Ukraine

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Richard Santos

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montyp165 said:
It's one of those situations in war where both sides are trying to deny the other the ability to hold a specific position, but the position isn't of much value in itself otherwise.
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This is an indication that both sides believe it is essential to continuously show progress and gain to sustain the war effort, but neither side believe there any realistic prospect of making any decisive progress or gains that would justify husbanding resource to apply towards the prospect.
SinoSoldier said:
The amount of incompetence, disorganization, and raw amateurism demonstrated by the Russian Armed Forces is beyond staggering. Fuck this, they don't deserve to win a war at this point. Russia might have more men and materiel, but at the rate they are losing their men and equipment, this conflict will become another Vietnam-esque meat grinder for them at best.

I'm surprised that Putin's own brass hasn't pulled a Wilhelmshaven on him yet, because that probably would be the most sensible course of action to save Russia's image and strength - or whatever is left of them.
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every army doesn’t deserve to win until it does win.
 
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We shouldn't rehash that "China supplying Russia with weapons" debate again. Please that argument is old and tired.

And Russia doesn't need China's weapons. They just need to mobilize and commit everything to this war or call it quits. They won't win with 150K troops. I don't understand why they are fighting this war like this when NATO is directly helping Ukraine kill Russian troops. That fact alone should be the cause-belli for Putin to declare war on Ukraine.

NATO is directly fighting Russia; although in a small way, but that is what's happening today. Until Russia shows commitment to this fight, it would be extremely stupid for China to get involve with weapons supply. All China should do is the diplomatic and economic support.

If China supplies Russia with weapons and we see that, then we can have this conversation. Keep the hypothetical and opinions out of this thread. We won't even reach 100 pages--till weeks from now--if we just post about facts on the ground.
 
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Kich

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Maikeru said:
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Mobilisation not practical:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1523036461595242498
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Mobilization isn't just about committing troops. It is putting the country into a war-footing state; example turning industries into manufacturers for producing military vehicles and weapons.

Putin for now it seems wants to have his cake and eat it as well. He wants to achieve the impossible by using the minimal force of 150K troops with mostly militia men and PMCs. He wants to keep the Russian populace out of this to protect his poll numbers. Meanwhile that's not what's happening and we have seen Ukraine sabotage attacks, strikes, and shelling into Russia. All the while being backed up by NATO.

If this is how they intend to fight, then they should end this war.
 
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Maikeru said:
Mobilisation not practical:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1523036461595242498
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His arguments are BS. The bulk of the weapons NATO is sending to Ukraine are old Cold War era material. Like 200 Polish T-72M1 tanks. Russia has many times over that amount of T-72B tanks in storage. The T-72B is superior to the T-72M1. Russia also has huge amounts of late Soviet artillery, like the Msta or Akatsiya they can use. Equipment is not an impediment to mobilization.

Zichan said:
At the same time, they are interdicting Ukrainian supply lines further West in a bid to prevent Western weapons like long range howitzers and Gepard mobile AAA from bolstering the Ukrainian defence.
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The Gepard seems to be not happening. It uses 30mm ammo made in Switzerland which the Swiss don't want to export. It will also be highly vulnerable to modern fighter bombers and even combat helicopters. The autocannons can't outrange even helicopter launched land attack missiles like the 9M120 Ataka.

BoraTas said:
- Russians cannot bring ships into the region because they don't trust their defense systems and naval air defenses are of low range.
- Russian air force for some reason can not hold CAP over the region.
- Russian ISR is bad. Ukrainian planes and TB-2s can not be found for mysterious reasons. Russia can't observe Odessa effectively either.
- They keep sending special forces boats and short range air defense systems which are defenseless against the TB-2.
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Not really. The Russians have two Admiral Grigorovich ships in the Black Sea. Each can carry 24 Buk missiles. Those have like over 3x the range of the drone carried missiles. And Russian Navy aircraft from Crimea would easily have enough range to cover that area. As for why the TB-2 isn't tracked easily, well, if they fly it at low altitude especially over sea it would be difficult to track them with land based radar. And no, sorry about that, but the Tor should be quite effective against the TB-2 since it can outrange it. Of course it can't continue engaging those kinds of drones forever. Eventually it will have to reload.
 
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panzerfeist1

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Got banned at another forum for speaking common sense that Russia is not going all out in the war because 1. the capitol of Ukraine would have already been turned to rubble not just other parts of Ukraine. 2. not dropping FOABs with 300-meter blast radiuses but regular bombs instead. Only thing saving them is civilian shields.
 
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panzerfeist1 said:
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Heard there were talks about TB2 strikes in the last few pages back is it this one?
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Yep. A user posted a Twitter link to a video of it and stated that it was a helicopter of Russians getting vaporized by the TB-2. Southfront reported that as well. However. there are claims that it was a friendly fire incident.
 
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Abominable said:
Of course they would. Operate them the same as their anti-air systems. Keep the radar turned off and depend on NATO for monitoring of sea vessels. If a Russian ship enters missile range, turn on the radar and fire the missile.
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I mean.. you dont have many place to run too. Once your battery is found, you are toast. If they were in Odessa then they have more place to Hide. You surely haven't appreciate how small Snake island is.

The Red circle is only 310 Meter in diameter. Russians can saturate the island with Bombs or cruise missile and your battery wont be able to escape. and there isnt much Russians needs to do to find whatever placed there.

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Abominable said:
I don't see that on any Russian telegram channel.
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have you joined "Reverse side of the medal" aka "Grey_zone"

That's where the "news" came from.
 
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