Sorry emblem21, not what we want to see on this thread. It tells us nothing we don't already know. This thread deals with facts on the battlefield first and foremost.
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The War in the Ukraine
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I get that you're angry at all the injustice they have done and I also share the same indignation, but please keep it away from this thread. The previous Ukraine thread got closed because of all the moral posturing and outrage, and bickering between both sides.
Sorry, but their is an interesting news that the Canadian sniper Wall-e has gone home from Ukraine after much press has been given in regards to his status as a super soldier who could single handily turn the tide in the Donbass. Apparently given the sheer differences in war zones ( that of the fight in Ukraine being vastly different compared to the Middle East) has ended up with him losing two men against a single Russia tank that basically gibbed them hard enough that it scared this man straight to an extent, and given his account of the kind of shortages that require him to eat Russian rations, paints a different picture to most media that seems to use what ever means they have to paint the Ukrainians as though they are mounting some sort of counter offensive that is akin to return of the Jedi,
hence why I am taking western media in general with a grain of salt these days as we really need to be careful to see what is true or false. Something that has occurred to me is that we don’t seem to hear as much about Mariupol these days
Care to enlighten? How is it important for Ukraine and how do they plan to hold it?
Russia can form an AD/A2 bubble akin to an unsinkable carrier thing. It would deny Ukraine a large amount of airspace/air control if the island was properly secured by Russia.
In addition, given its location, the island would serve as a SOF base where Russia could spam attacks on Ukraine's coastline.
And, probably most importantly, if Ukraine holds the islands then it can strike a deal with NATO/US to "give" the island to NATO and thus having a stronghold in the Black Sea.
In all cases, its in Ukraine's interest that the island is not held by Russia
Dunno. Given the failed assault on the Island, I think that for now, Ukraine will be content with constant drone attacks on the island. Ultimately, if they manage to get the upper hand on air control above the island, Russia might have to withdraw
as far as i heard. It's "nearer" to Sevastopol. and they can set Neptun or surveillance battery there, so they can have Extended Horizon.
Problem with this is that considering the size of the island, if Russia decided to level them with Kalibr or KH-101's. anything placed there won't have place to run to. Also Ukraine should already have good range to Sevastopol already from Odessa.
and Problem for occupying Russian forces there are that it's very close to the coast with only surprisingly 40 km distance, from the center of the island. This allows massed strike of something small like Switchblade UAV's. a decapitation strike to take out communications and something like Tor. Which then can be followed by TB-2's and such.
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The best protection is obviously having air patrol or warship nearby. However if the initial attacks were done by Switchblades, then there could probably nothing can be done yet. As such drones are visually small and the RCS are small, probably below 0.1 sqm's which at least Tor-M1 system unable to search.
The VKS Response will be in minutes after the attacks, depending on how many aircrafts being sortied at least 10 mins to 20 (20 mins if 12 being sortied).
If the Russian MOD release on the attacks are correct, then it's yes VKS sortied in and picked whatever Ukrainian forces land there. and picked the drone.
Problem with this is that considering the size of the island, if Russia decided to level them with Kalibr or KH-101's. anything placed there won't have place to run to. Also Ukraine should already have good range to Sevastopol already from Odessa.
and Problem for occupying Russian forces there are that it's very close to the coast with only surprisingly 40 km distance, from the center of the island. This allows massed strike of something small like Switchblade UAV's. a decapitation strike to take out communications and something like Tor. Which then can be followed by TB-2's and such.
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The best protection is obviously having air patrol or warship nearby. However if the initial attacks were done by Switchblades, then there could probably nothing can be done yet. As such drones are visually small and the RCS are small, probably below 0.1 sqm's which at least Tor-M1 system unable to search.
The VKS Response will be in minutes after the attacks, depending on how many aircrafts being sortied at least 10 mins to 20 (20 mins if 12 being sortied).
If the Russian MOD release on the attacks are correct, then it's yes VKS sortied in and picked whatever Ukrainian forces land there. and picked the drone.
If true this is the only sensible thing for the Russians to do. Forces deployed on Snake Island were very vulnerable once the Russian navy
withdrew.
Now hit it with a tactical nuke. Otherwise Ukrainians will be able to post anti ship missiles on it.
It's also hilarious that after releasing virtually no footage the whole war, we suddenly get multiple video footage of TB-2 bombing what is an isolated and unprotected outpost. Tells you everything on how well they've been doing everywhere else this war.
Yeah that piece of rock is unholdable for both sides
Interesting point about switchblades, afaik currently switchblade aren't autonomous and still require datalink, I wonder if it is possible to put up a jamming bubble to protect the island... On that note TB-2's weaponry also has limited range under 20km, if EW can reach that far it is possible to defend against it
It's all academic though, with the state of Russian competence these days I hope they play it safe....
I believe Ukrainians were trying to land there solely for PR reasons. They need any victory no matter how small to show they are successfully deterring the Russian forces. I see no other reason to land on island you cannot supply. It does have importance in peace time as it determines territorial waters an EEZ in Black Sea, but its military use is probably negligible. Garrison there didn't add much to blockade of Odessa