The War in the Ukraine

pmc

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i am still waiting for Neptune missile launches.
you can see 2nd separate launchers. nearby to make sure if one fails another works.

 

Anlsvrthng

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Russian Mi-8 getting wrecked again on Snake Island by the TB2.
What the Ukrainans wants from that Island ?


For Russia the reason was to prevent it to be claimed by Romania by few sources.

Ukraine wants to sell the island to the USA ? Or what ?

Actually, it should be a genius plan.

Say they sell the Snak island to the USA, from that point of time the Americans can enter the sea with warships, by establishing a military base on the island.


That would makes the USA a Black Sea nation by the Montreux Convention .

That would explain why they spending the last planes to acpture the island.
 
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BoraTas

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The amount of incompetence, disorganization, and raw amateurism demonstrated by the Russian Armed Forces is beyond staggering. Fuck this, they don't deserve to win a war at this point. Russia might have more men and materiel, but at the rate they are losing their men and equipment, this conflict will become another Vietnam-esque meat grinder for them at best.

I'm surprised that Putin's own brass hasn't pulled a Wilhelmshaven on him yet, because that probably would be the most sensible course of action to save Russia's image and strength - or whatever is left of them.
Ukraine established an A2/AD zone against Russians with a few MALE drones and a battery of Neptunes, a Kh-35 knockoff. You would normally establish CAP in the zone and send marines or airborne troops to conquer the island. Then you would bring area air defenses to secure the place. So to sum up

- Russians cannot bring ships into the region because they don't trust their defense systems and naval air defenses are of low range.
- Russian air force for some reason can not hold CAP over the region.
- Russian ISR is bad. Ukrainian planes and TB-2s can not be found for mysterious reasons. Russia can't observe Odessa effectively either.
- They keep sending special forces boats and short range air defense systems which are defenseless against the TB-2.

This has nothing to do with hardware or even tactics. Russia has the same hardware as Ukraine but more numerous and more modernized. This has to do with personnel quality. For example why Moskva's air defenses were off in the first place? And more importantly why they are not mobilizing?
 

Anlsvrthng

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Ukraine established an A2/AD zone against Russians with a few MALE drones and a battery of Neptunes, a Kh-35 knockoff. You would normally establish CAP in the zone and send marines or airborne troops to conquer the island. Then you would bring area air defenses to secure the place. So to sum up

- Russians cannot bring ships into the region because they don't trust their defense systems and naval air defenses are of low range.
- Russian air force for some reason can not hold CAP over the region.
- Russian ISR is bad. Ukrainian planes and TB-2s can not be found for mysterious reasons. Russia can't observe Odessa effectively either.
- They keep sending special forces boats and short range air defense systems which are defenseless against the TB-2.

This has nothing to do with hardware or even tactics. Russia has the same hardware as Ukraine but more numerous and more modernized. This has to do with personnel quality. For example why Moskva's air defenses were off in the first place? And more importantly why they are not mobilizing?
You jump to the conclusion.

We have very limited information about the current state of affairs there ,and we have no clue why it is so important in first place.
 

Overbom

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What the Ukrainans wants from that Island ?


For Russia the reason was to prevent it to be claimed by Romania by few sources.

Ukraine wants to sell the island to the USA ? Or what ?

Actually, it should be a genius plan.

Say they sell the Snak island to the USA, from that point of time the Americans can enter the sea with warships, by establishing a military base on the island.


That would makes the USA a Black Sea nation by the Montreux Convention .

That would explain why they spending the last planes to acpture the island.
The island is of strategic importance. Check out its location:
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SampanViking

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Well from what I am reading, the Russian side are saying that the footage is from a failed Ukrainian Airborn landing attempted yesterday
Russian MoD is claiming
Loss of of 3 x Ukrainian Mi-8 Helicopters with crew and paratroopers,
1 Ukrainian SU27
1 Ukrainian SU24
1 Assault Boat with crew and troops

Still looking for further info and clarifications......
 

NukedOne

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According to Russian sources Snake Island was evacuated after its air defences were disabled by Ukrainian drones. Then Ukrainians bombed empty compound to get nice picture and tried to land some troops using helicopters. Then VKS came in and destroyed 3 Mi-8 and corvette (Soviet era missile boat).
They claim this video is actually destruction of one of these Mi-8s. Explosion is way too big for MAM-L
 
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