The War in the Ukraine

Soldier30

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High-quality archival footage of precision bombing by four Russian FAB-500 M62 aerial bombs with the UMPK module. This is the highest quality footage to date. The FAB-500 M62 high-explosive aerial bomb was adopted for service in 1962 and was made of cast iron to reduce costs and produce more fragments. The video was shot in the fall, presumably September, near the village of Liptsy in the Kharkiv region. The bombing was carried out by a Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber; a Ukrainian army stronghold was located in the forest belt.

 

Soldier30

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Unique footage of a close explosion of a Ukrainian MGM-140A ATACMS missile with a cluster warhead has been published. The missile is of American manufacture. A local resident witnessed the strike on the Russian airfield in Khalino, Kursk Oblast. The video shows a close explosion of M74 cluster warheads of the MGM-140A ATACMS missile. It is possible that an MGM-140B ATACMS missile with 275 cluster warheads was used. As was officially reported earlier, 7 out of 8 ATACMS missiles were intercepted by the Russian air defense system. For air defense, when working on ballistic targets, this is an excellent result. Despite this, two explosions are visible in the vicinity of the airfield. According to Ukrainian media, the S-400 air defense radar was destroyed, this has not been officially confirmed.

 

Overbom

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The talk now is about the US releasing JASSM against Russia.

It's not difficult to conclude, since Putin just complains in videos with what are seen as empty threats while the West continues to escalate with nothing to fear, unfortunately.
Russia's red lines have collapsed faster than Obama's red lines on Syria.
Putin and Medvedev's "threats" about nuclear weapons and all that are just a joke to everyone.

Instead of performing this whole pathetic show, Russia should fight more and boast less

They are not empty threats when you have the means to act on them. That is what the morons in government in the West seem to forget. What we saw there in Dnipro, Ukraine was a single missile with 36 submunitions. Nothing in the Cold War had either that many submunitions, or the kind of accuracy that strike showed. If each of those submunitions could be nuclear, the Russians could lay waste to the entire Central and Western Europe with a fraction of the missiles that would be necessary back in the Cold War. For example the RDS-10 Pioneer had only three warheads with 450 m CEP. Once production is ramped up they can also disable a country or two in Europe with just conventional strikes.
could, would. a world full of possibilities.
In the real world, senile Biden just crossed Putin's "red" (more like white) lines, and is now allowing Ukraine to openly bomb Russian territory lmao

There is now even talk about giving JASSM to Ukraine. Thats how serious and credible they consider his "red" lines.

In the beginning of the war they took Russia's red lines seriously, but as they saw that nothing happened in response, they kept salami-slicing. And now that we have reached at the final piece of salami, and even then, Biden sliced it all the way through. You know how the West is, unless Russia demonstrates strength, there are no red lines for the US. Simple as that

Thus far the Ukrainian strikes into Russian territory have been mostly targeted against military facilities so you should expect much the same to happen. For example Russia could strike the UK's air base in Cyprus.
If Russia conducts such strikes, I would eat all my past 2 years negative comments about Putin and praise him instead. But.. you and me both know that Russia ain't gonna do such thing
 

Soldier30

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The Ukrainian tank Leopard 2A4, made in Germany, has begun to be used by the Russian army. The Leopard 2A4 was developed in 1985, technical information about it is available on the channel. There are no details about the Leopard 2A4 tank yet, visually the tank is in good condition and looks serviceable. It is unknown how the tank will be used, perhaps one of the Russian military bloggers will soon tell about the tank.

 

HighGround

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It is idiotic how they still continue to operate the S-400 without proper cover against battlefield weapons if true. They should have a Buk-M3 operating with it minimum but preferably the S-350.

I don't understand why I've barely seen S-350 in this conflict. Plenty of Buk, S-400, and point defense footage. Have we even seen S-350 in action? Is there a critical shortage of this system?

Also;


Even Ukrainians admit that the Airfield has already been largely evacuated. They might've hit a helicopter or two, or a Su-25. Losing helicopters would be bad, but the Su-25s aren't as a big of a deal IMO.
 

mossen

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It is really dumb to confuse restraint with lack of ability to strike back.
If you make a clear red line and then refuse to enforce it you are not "showing restraint". You are having your bluff called.

The lesson to learn is not to make stupid red lines which you cannot enforce. Red lines should only be realistic. I said it before and I'll say it again: China's red line on Taiwan independence is both realistic and enforceable. China would win a conflict easily today if war broke out. That's why the West has not done anything to prod Taiwanese independence. China has escalatory dominance. You don't win a nuclear war. You get MAD. Everyone knows it which is why Putin's nuclear blackmail was idiotic.

But the strangest thing is that it was so unnecessary. He's already winning the war conventionally. Why make such an unforced error?
 

gelgoog

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If you make a clear red line and then refuse to enforce it you are not "showing restraint". You are having your bluff called.
Except the "red line" with regards to the nuclear threshold was never merely being struck in Russian territory. It was something more consequential than this. Otherwise Russia would use nukes just for any minor terror event. Maybe you should read their nuclear doctrine instead of spouting bullshit.

The lesson to learn is not to make stupid red lines which you cannot enforce. Red lines should only be realistic. I said it before and I'll say it again: China's red line on Taiwan independence is both realistic and enforceable. China would win a conflict easily today if war broke out. That's why the West has not done anything to prod Taiwanese independence. China has escalatory dominance. You don't win a nuclear war. You get MAD. Everyone knows it which is why Putin's nuclear blackmail was idiotic.
For whatever reason no one seems to remember how George W. Bush threatened to nuke Iraq. Claiming they had "weapons of mass destruction". Which were chemical and biological weapons.
And yet they seem to think Russia has no issue with them supplying cluster munitions and anti-personnel mines to Ukraine.

But the strangest thing is that it was so unnecessary. He's already winning the war conventionally. Why make such an unforced error?
Russia is trying to prevent the US from even considering doing what they did in Iraq, Yugoslavia, or Libya where they sent the Air Force in to bomb the place. Not that this would be an easy thing to do in Russia even conventionally but the US and its allies have way more aviation. If they do that then Russia would have to use nukes I think. Well maybe not with this new weapon.
 

SlothmanAllen

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I think the big question mark is what does the Trump administration do? Everything Trump himself has indicated that he does not want to support Ukraine and wants a peace deal ASAP. If he can force that on Ukraine and Russia agrees to the terms that could bring about a quicker end to the war. On the other, it could just be business as usual or maybe you see a slight decrease in US support for Ukraine, but not an outright end to it.
 

Atomicfrog

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I think the big question mark is what does the Trump administration do? Everything Trump himself has indicated that he does not want to support Ukraine and wants a peace deal ASAP. If he can force that on Ukraine and Russia agrees to the terms that could bring about a quicker end to the war. On the other, it could just be business as usual or maybe you see a slight decrease in US support for Ukraine, but not an outright end to it.

The US could feed them for ages with old Humvee and m113... even Huey could be sent in masses and Ukraine will repair what they can.

It's just that manpower in Ukraine is just falling slowly apart. Next waves of equipment could be manned by PMC if it continue like that.
 
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