The War in the Ukraine
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This is nonsense. Are we seriously to believe that the US doesnt have satellites and cant count bullets and tanks? This article is there for the purpose of deflection when it inevitably goes bad for Ukraine, "we didn't know they were losing and selling all those Javalins on craigslist".
Apparently, the inability to manufacture enough chips is proving to be a major bottleneck in the US’s ability to keep Ukrainian forces supplied with arms. I didn’t expect the Javelin to have 50 times as many chips as a modern smartphone:
“"I talked to all the national defense contractors recently, who are working overtime in the Ukraine replenishment issue and their biggest pain point is chips," Raimondo said at a Senate Commerce hearing in April. "There are 250 chips or more in every Javelin launching system. This has to happen - it has to happen now."
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“"I talked to all the national defense contractors recently, who are working overtime in the Ukraine replenishment issue and their biggest pain point is chips," Raimondo said at a Senate Commerce hearing in April. "There are 250 chips or more in every Javelin launching system. This has to happen - it has to happen now."
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The funny part is all the discussions about Russian equipments difficulties related to chips... now it's the US with more of the same.
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I have always wondered if and when the West would think about dumping old M60 tanks to Ukraine. They have already sent M113s, M777s, M109s, and now M142 HIMARS. As suspected, some warmonger in the US is bound to discuss this idea.
This article mentions that the US has a sizable collection of old M60s in its Sierra Army Depot. Nevertheless, to the article's credit, it also mentions that M60s would be a bad idea for Ukraine, simply because of crew training and logistics. So Ukraine is better off receiving more T-72s which its army is quite familiar with. Still the article suggests at the end that those M60s should be reserved for a certain rebellious island province off the east coast of China. Typical American warmonger writing.
Even if America sends M60 tanks to Ukraine, I doubt they'll have much of an impact. The tank is already inferior on paper to the numerous Russian T-72 tanks already in the battlefield, both in armament and protection. The only advantage the M60 might have over some of the older Russian T-72s is its superior FCS and Thermal sight. The M60 also is physically bulkier than the T-72, making it easier to spot and destroy by infantry and air assets. Overall, the older variants of M60s are too outdated to do much against Russia in 2022.
This article mentions that the US has a sizable collection of old M60s in its Sierra Army Depot. Nevertheless, to the article's credit, it also mentions that M60s would be a bad idea for Ukraine, simply because of crew training and logistics. So Ukraine is better off receiving more T-72s which its army is quite familiar with. Still the article suggests at the end that those M60s should be reserved for a certain rebellious island province off the east coast of China. Typical American warmonger writing.
Even if America sends M60 tanks to Ukraine, I doubt they'll have much of an impact. The tank is already inferior on paper to the numerous Russian T-72 tanks already in the battlefield, both in armament and protection. The only advantage the M60 might have over some of the older Russian T-72s is its superior FCS and Thermal sight. The M60 also is physically bulkier than the T-72, making it easier to spot and destroy by infantry and air assets. Overall, the older variants of M60s are too outdated to do much against Russia in 2022.
If I remember correctly when US retired their M60 and said they're up for sale at scrap metal prices the very first thing ROC did was rush over to the US and picked out a bunch of the best condition ones. Then after them several other countries came and did the same, each one of them getting the left overs.
By the end I imagine the M60 that still remain are in pretty poor condition indeed.
I'm not sure what good is more M60 for ROC, I doubt it can trade favorable with even Type 11 assault gun.
I'm sure the BSF can't use Kalibrs to hit targets in western Ukraine anymore.
They will use airplanes cruise missiles instead ? Maybe it's why they are talks about Su-57 doing sam clean-up.
Eh why ? Harpoons is not SAM's.
and Kalibr is 1000+ km range missile. Russian ship in Caspian Sea can reach Ukraine too.
That’s why I don’t buy the fact there is this massive summer/fall offensive where 1 million Ukrainian men will push Russia out. Like you said they are sending western aid immediately to the battlefield. And they are sending TDF reservist to plug the gaps in Donbass. And these TDF units have two weeks of training. They have AK’s, machine guns, RPGs, some manpads and atgms. But they are facing heavy Russian artillery, missile bombardment and aerial bombardment. If Kiev was smart these TDF units should be sent to cities like Odessa,Khariv, Dnirpo to reinforce the defense of those cities. Donbas is lost. Instead they are wasting them getting them annihilated. Don’t know how much longer this can last.