The War in the Ukraine

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On related note about military aid:

EU is dry of Warsaw Pact ammo

Source for the claim that EU is out of SU standard ammo:
Damn it only took 3 months to clear out Warsaw Pact from it's stockpiles? Maybe Russia can sort a deal out...payment in roubles of course.

Seriously though, Soviet era ammo is going to become very expensive. There will be countries in Africa and Asia who will be very grateful ex-dictators signed deals with the USSR for weapons during the cold war. They will be able to name their price for what is basically scrap.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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I'm going to delete all of posts related to how NATO will get wrecked or is benefiting from the conflict since THAT TOPIC is political in nature. Please do not drag politics into this thread and have some self control.
 

Topazchen

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Great YouTube channel that does daily maps of the Russo-Ukrainian war. He is from Belarus so he can read and say the various Russian/Ukrainian names. His analyst is great I wonder if he is ex Belarus military with his knowledge of maps etc.
Anyway it seems Kiev is turn Lyschansk into a fortress. It has been reported they have called on massive reserves to fortify the city. This city will be the site of bloody battles. Even when encircled. Makes no military sense but Kiev is continuing its policy of “holding the line”
Ukrainian leadership has never heard of Chairman Mao and it's showing

"Keep men, lose land: land can be taken again. Keep land, lose men: land and men are both lost"
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gelgoog

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Damn it only took 3 months to clear out Warsaw Pact from it's stockpiles? Maybe Russia can sort a deal out...payment in roubles of course.

Seriously though, Soviet era ammo is going to become very expensive. There will be countries in Africa and Asia who will be very grateful ex-dictators signed deals with the USSR for weapons during the cold war. They will be able to name their price for what is basically scrap.
The former Warsaw Pact, mostly Bulgaria, have been selling ammo to the US to send to insurgents in Syria for over a decade. Before that they were selling ammo to the Afghanistan army for close to two decades. While selling ammo to insurgents in Syria, their stocks ran so low, the US had to buy ammo from Serbia. A country the US typically avoided using as a supplier. You know having bombed them and all. They still bought ammo from them.

The idea there were still these huge Warsaw Pact era stocks is, basically, a mirage.
 
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Russia used four Su-57 fighters against Ukrainian air defense, united in a single network

MOSCOW, June 9 - RIA Novosti.
During a special operation in Ukraine, the Russian military deployed a flight of four Su-57 fighters linked into a single information network in order to destroy air defense facilities, an informed source told RIA Novosti.

The interlocutor of the agency pointed out that "combining the aircraft in a single information space increases the efficiency of identifying and hitting targets," while specifying that during the deployment of the Su-57 , it was possible to confirm its low radar visibility.

Russian "stealth"​

The Su-57 is a fifth-generation Russian fighter designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets.

The fighter can use a wide range of both guided and unguided weapons, including short, medium and long range air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface guided missiles of various families (Kh-31, Kh-35, Kh-38, Kh-58, Kh-59), adjustable air bombs of 250, 500 and 1500 kg caliber (the latter from external hardpoints). The maximum combat load of the aircraft is 10 tons.

The combat vehicle was developed by the Sukhoi company, its creation started in the early 2000s. Production of the Su-57 launched at the Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In 2018, the fighter gained experience in real combat operations in Syria and confirmed the declared high performance. By the end of 2024, the Russian Aerospace Forces should receive 22 Su-57s, and by 2028 their number will reach 76.
 
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Tootensky

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The former Warsaw Pact, mostly Bulgaria, have been selling ammo to the US to send to insurgents in Syria for over a decade. Before that they were selling ammo to the Afghanistan army for close to two decades. While selling ammo to insurgents in Syria, their stocks ran so low, the US had to buy ammo from Serbia. A country the US typically avoided using as a supplier. You know having bombed them and all. They still bought ammo from them.

The idea there were still these huge Warsaw Pact era stocks is, basically, a mirage.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but after 30 years in storage, wouldn't all that Warsaw Pact-era ammunition be way past its shelf life, and be more of a risk to the user than the target anyway? Aren't old explosives really volatile? And I doubt there was much use for manufacturing new ammunition after 2000, when everyone in NATO thought Russia to have been taken out of the equation.

Combine the equipment that has been stored in substandard conditions, ammunition that should best be sent for disposal, and the fact that even the factories which can manufacture Warsaw Pact-standard ammo have been making NATO-standard ammo for the past 20 years, and it doesn't surprise me that the stocks are gone already.

What's curious to me is that while all the artillery systems the west can send are 155mm - which could long-term replace all the 152 systems in Ukrainian service, the bulk of Ukrainian artillery is actually 122 mms - which the west has no way of replacing.
 
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