So range and precision will be compromised... Still a gun is a gun and to shot randomly in a city area of one square km at 20 km is probably good enough. If they have guided rounds and the gun don't bleed to mutch pressure around the shell they could have some precision. My wife unit was using C3 in Canada and 777 when deployed, they got their C3 in late nineties for replacing the C1 that had shorter barrels.
The War in the Ukraine
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I don't know what it's costing Russia to maintain their war in the Ukraine but I'd imagine it's not much more than their intervention in Syria. More soldiers are being deployed but it's closer to home. If you take into account the massive windfall from the price increases of global commodities and I think the war is profitable for Russia.
The real cost is being borne by America. The Ukraine is similar to Russia in that it's sources of revenues come from the exports of resources. Right now that is pretty much non existent. Not only are they funding the Ukrainian military, but they are propping up the whole country - not only do soldiers need paying, but so do government officials, policemen, doctors and so on. You can only put an entire country on welfare for so long.
About comparing it to American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of the costs from those two wars came from the "nation building" part. Initial estimates and budget allocations massively underestimated the cost those two wars cost America in the end. This isn't like Afghanistan where people were poor anyway so they could subside on a few dollars a day, or Iraq where the American backed regime could live off oil exports. This is basically the last war America will be involved in before it collapses, just like the USSR and Afghanistan.
So apparently, the lawyer representing the owner is saying 800 civilians are in the chemical plant of which 200 are workers and 600 residents.
So we are probably going to be sitting around for quite a while as the WW1 style attrition bombardment on Ukrainian manpower and resources continue.
Civilian residents are taking shelter at a... Chemical plant???
As someone who actually worked at a chemical plant before (semiconductor related) the this is the last place you want to be when bullets fly.
Toxic gases, strong acids, flammables, etc are everywhere. We're talking stuff like anhydrous hydrogen fluoride, dimethyl silane, etc. Nobody in their right mind would go to a place with gigantic "FLAMMABLE" and "CORROSIVE" signs everywhere.
Now specialty chemicals like this, at least don't smell, because everything is done in gas tight stainless steel and all waste is scrubbed. In a less controlled process like fertilizer or petrochemical, you can smell oil fumes in the air.
I very much doubt civilians evacuated themselves there.
Except for these ones that blew up. We will probably see more of them blowing up at some point.
Now here is a thing!
For those who are surprised by the speed of the ongoing advance from the Izium/Liman axis towards Slavyansk, here is what I am starting to hear that will explain it and which could have major ramifications for the Donbass campaign as a whole over the next few days.
It is being said that due to a mixture of the time of year, recent weather and control of critical dams by the Russians, that they have been able to control and therefore reduce in terms of flow and depth, the Severodonetsk river. This has massively increased the number of possible crossing points, by making it easier for Amphibious Vehicles and also creating a large number of fordable stretches.
IF the River no longer holds the Northern front of the salient for the Ukrainians, they could be in very serious trouble now.
For those who are surprised by the speed of the ongoing advance from the Izium/Liman axis towards Slavyansk, here is what I am starting to hear that will explain it and which could have major ramifications for the Donbass campaign as a whole over the next few days.
It is being said that due to a mixture of the time of year, recent weather and control of critical dams by the Russians, that they have been able to control and therefore reduce in terms of flow and depth, the Severodonetsk river. This has massively increased the number of possible crossing points, by making it easier for Amphibious Vehicles and also creating a large number of fordable stretches.
IF the River no longer holds the Northern front of the salient for the Ukrainians, they could be in very serious trouble now.
Anyway it seems Kiev is turn Lyschansk into a fortress. It has been reported they have called on massive reserves to fortify the city. This city will be the site of bloody battles. Even when encircled. Makes no military sense but Kiev is continuing its policy of “holding the line”