The War in the Ukraine

RottenPanzer

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Some people have been claimimg Russia will peace out fast given the chance. All signs point to contrary. Russian is willing to give up land for better attrition. Willing to grind slowly to gain land at less casualty. None of these are useful for fast political leverage for negotiation. All aiming for complete destruction of enemy over long terms. Which is to say these are strategy of long haul. Perhaps demilitarize Ukraine was a lie, demilitarize NATO stockpile at favorable condition is the actual aim. If that is the case, war will go on for many years to go. It will not stop at US backing out. It will stop at entire western bloc giving up.

Another strategic goal is attrition of western economy at favorable rate vs Russian. By weakening western economy that insist on poor return financing of Ukrainian state, they will have less money available to attack Russia at more efficient means.

This could explain why Russia is adamant at making the war sustainable, even though intensify investment could yield faster tactical gains. Those gains were never the main goal. The economic attrition between two blocs is the actual battle. A poorer west enhance Russian security over long term. This is more valuable than another piece of Ukrainian turf.
Extremely far fetched though really since much of the western countries are not even in the stage of early mobilisation
 

gelgoog

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Extremely far fetched though really since much of the western countries are not even in the stage of early mobilisation
And what would be the point in that? Large troop formations would easily get destroyed in any NATO/Russia conflict.

The whole Western MIC seems to be failing hard at production of conventional weapons against the Russian MIC. Against China the situation would be even worse. For strategic weapons the West has been even further behind Russia for at least two decades. Unfortunately some people in the West still have not got the memo.

It would take a decade or two to industrialize the West again to be able to properly fight an industrial war and there is no evidence of this happening. In fact the West is still deindustrializing as we speak.

Maybe the West should just learn to accept their proper place in the world today. But unfortunately it seems this won't happen without a fight.
 

Atomicfrog

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Seems Ukrainian are still well committed on Kursk.

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The pocket in Kurtz is not growing anymore and is shrinking more than stabilizing, not sure what they can gain with committing more troops and material there ? They want to hit that Kursk Nuclear Power Plant so bad ? Don't know what else they can accomplish right now beside losing more assets.
 

HighGround

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The pocket in Kurtz is not growing anymore and is shrinking more than stabilizing, not sure what they can gain with committing more troops and material there ? They want to hit that Kursk Nuclear Power Plant so bad ? Don't know what else they can accomplish right now beside losing more assets.
That's a good question. I don't actually believe that the Kursk salient is going to be cut off. IMO, Ukrainians can fight Russians for Lyubimovka and Obukhovka for example, which would eliminate the threat of a pincer. However, like you, I am puzzled at what the point of all this is. Burning men and material for territory that ultimately has no strategic importance is... nonsensical.

Either the Ukrainians know something everybody else doesn't, or this is another 2023 counter-offensive. Blood and ash for nothing.
 

Tam

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Russian Grad MLRS saturates an area where a Ukrainian D-30 howitzer is operating.

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Trophies taken from Ugledar and the AFU 72nd Brigade. Trophies further cement proof of capture.

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Kirpi captured by the 56th VDV in Glushkove and towed to the rear.

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Deep State UA acknowledges Russian capture of Ugledar.

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Lancets take out an M777 and a D-30 howitzer in the Kursk region.

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I made a post that was incorrect with it's identification. The correction.

This was a Ukrainian ammo depot and temporary deployment points that was hit by an Iskander in Kherson.

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This was the Iskander hit in Velikaya Aleksandrovka, also in the Kherson region. Allegedly up to 60 commanders of the AFU 37th Marine Brigade were killed. Their buses and cars were tracked by UAV.

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Russian strike at Udachnoye Railway Station on a train bringing fuel to the AFU 72nd Brigade.

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Due to the Russians knocking out the Ukrainian power grid, the AFU is increasing reliance on diesel powered locomotives. We can expect the Russians to target diesel fuel depots next.

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Bradley destroyed in the Kursk region, an indication that the AFU 47th Brigade has been transferred to the area.

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