Seems things are getting bad enough in other points of the frontline that Ukranian drone pilots are being forced to man the trenches
Another CV90 was captured
Another CV90 was captured
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The War in the Ukraine
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I am just guessing here. I think you can infer (guess) what the aircraft is. We know RCS of SU-57 is much smaller than Flankers. Ukraine has database of how far a Radar of shorter wave can detect a flanker and Tu-22M. If their shorter wave radar can see Tu-22M but not any escorting aircraft, then they can see the escorting aircraft after switching to longer wave radar, then they can deduce that the escorting aircraft has very low RCS, probably SU-57. This is assuming that the escort and the bomber are in close formation, so it is a guess work.
Could be true, but this is ultimately hearsay. We also need to be careful about "corroboration" of such evidence. Often times when we hear different sources give the same news, they're just repeating the same news because they read it on NYT, not necessarily "corroborating" things.
Observers also need to consider that Ukraine is "willingly" giving up territory in order to preserve manpower/consolidate their lines. It may make sense to put up a much stiffer defense in Toretsk rather than fight for each individual town.
I am personally skeptical that Ukrainian defenses are "collapsing". I think the speed of Russian advance may suggest that Ukrainians are now much more likely to retreat rather than man the lines to the last man. Syrski is also reportedly handling the Kursk incursion personally, so his absence may mean that a different command staff is in charge of other frontlines, which may have led to a change in tactics.
I was going to post this news here now. In fact, the Drone Branch that Ukraine created back in 2024, one of the reasons for its creation was precisely because of the ability of local commanders to use drone operators for other tasks, there were a lot of complaints about this from drone operators, it seems that this situation has been going on for a longer time, with the ZSU command ending up having to create a separate branch for drones.
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Crimea also means it’s not just Ukrainian air defences who are monitoring the airspace.
Ukrainians attacked Russkaya Konopelka again but their BTR-4Es were intercepted by the 810rd Marines again.
Another BTR-4E destroyed in Glubokoe.
Another Humvee destroyed in Kursk region.
A Humvee destroyed in the outskirts of Krasnogorovka. Note the sheet protectors.
Ukrainian transport intercepted by FPV drone.
Destroyed Bradley makes it the 86th open source confirmed kill of the type.
US doubts Ukraine's ability to hold the Kursk salient. Lack of trenches, lack of minefields which the Ukrainians didn't put up.
Remember that Ukraine has an X number of P-18 radars. This radar was used to detect and tract that F-117 Nighthawk in Serbia. The P-18 is similar to the Type 517 VHF radars used with the Type 052D and they both have common origins in the Soviet era. During the war, these radars would have been used to detect, then loosely track, stealthier targets like RCS shaped cruise missiles like X-59 MK2 or X-69, then queue sharper, higher resolution radars to them.
As such they are priority targets and a good number has been destroyed using Lancets and X-35U missiles. But there might be more out there. The Russians have their own P-18s and they might also have been used to detect and track stealth shaped cruise missiles like Storm Shadow and SCALP. Recently one appears to have been damaged by a HIMARS attack with shrapnel.
Unrelated:
Russians promo 96LE radar use on the front.
Mi-28NM takes out Ukrainian vehicular target using a Vikhr ATGM.
Ukrainian marine and commando landing attempt on Dniepr island foiled by Russian paratroopers using a D-30 howitzer.
Another BTR-4E destroyed in Glubokoe.
Another Humvee destroyed in Kursk region.
A Humvee destroyed in the outskirts of Krasnogorovka. Note the sheet protectors.
Ukrainian transport intercepted by FPV drone.
Destroyed Bradley makes it the 86th open source confirmed kill of the type.
US doubts Ukraine's ability to hold the Kursk salient. Lack of trenches, lack of minefields which the Ukrainians didn't put up.
Remember that Ukraine has an X number of P-18 radars. This radar was used to detect and tract that F-117 Nighthawk in Serbia. The P-18 is similar to the Type 517 VHF radars used with the Type 052D and they both have common origins in the Soviet era. During the war, these radars would have been used to detect, then loosely track, stealthier targets like RCS shaped cruise missiles like X-59 MK2 or X-69, then queue sharper, higher resolution radars to them.
As such they are priority targets and a good number has been destroyed using Lancets and X-35U missiles. But there might be more out there. The Russians have their own P-18s and they might also have been used to detect and track stealth shaped cruise missiles like Storm Shadow and SCALP. Recently one appears to have been damaged by a HIMARS attack with shrapnel.
Unrelated:
Russians promo 96LE radar use on the front.
Mi-28NM takes out Ukrainian vehicular target using a Vikhr ATGM.
Ukrainian marine and commando landing attempt on Dniepr island foiled by Russian paratroopers using a D-30 howitzer.
Ukrainians attacked Russkaya Konopelka again but their BTR-4Es were intercepted by the 810rd Marines again.
Another BTR-4E destroyed in Glubokoe.
Another Humvee destroyed in Kursk region.
A Humvee destroyed in the outskirts of Krasnogorovka. Note the sheet protectors.
Ukrainian transport intercepted by FPV drone.
Destroyed Bradley makes it the 86th open source confirmed kill of the type.
US doubts Ukraine's ability to hold the Kursk salient. Lack of trenches, lack of minefields which the Ukrainians didn't put up.
Should remember that Ukraine has an X number of P-18 radars. This radar was used to detect and tract that F-117 Nighthawk in Serbia. The P-18 is similar to the Type 517 VHF radars used with the Type 052D and they both have common origins in the Soviet era. During the war, these radars would have been used to detect, then loosely track, stealthier targets like RCS shaped cruise missiles like X-59 MK2 or X-69, then queue sharper, higher resolution radars to them.
As such they are priority targets and a good number has been destroyed using Lancets and X-35U missiles. But there might be more out there. The Russians have their own P-18s and they might also have been used to detect and track stealth shaped cruise missiles like Storm Shadow and SCALP. Recently one appears to have been damaged by a HIMARS attack with shrapnel.
Unrelated:
Russians promo 96LE radar use on the front.
Mi-28NM takes out Ukrainian vehicular target using a Vikhr ATGM.
Ukrainian marine and commando landing attempt on Dniepr island foiled by Russian paratroopers using a D-30 howitzer.
On top of that the Russians appear to have a solution or solutions against the Ukrainian drone menace. It entails discovering and tracking Ukrainian drones back to their source using Russian drones, then take out their location using FPV, artillery, Krasnopol, LMUR, FAB, MLRS with cluster munitions, even X-38ML or tank fire. As such the career of being a Ukrainian drone operator is increasingly shortened. And of course the Ukrainians would also use similar tactics, this war shows both sides would mirror each other on tactics that work.
Another BTR-4E destroyed in Glubokoe.
Another Humvee destroyed in Kursk region.
A Humvee destroyed in the outskirts of Krasnogorovka. Note the sheet protectors.
Ukrainian transport intercepted by FPV drone.
Destroyed Bradley makes it the 86th open source confirmed kill of the type.
US doubts Ukraine's ability to hold the Kursk salient. Lack of trenches, lack of minefields which the Ukrainians didn't put up.
Should remember that Ukraine has an X number of P-18 radars. This radar was used to detect and tract that F-117 Nighthawk in Serbia. The P-18 is similar to the Type 517 VHF radars used with the Type 052D and they both have common origins in the Soviet era. During the war, these radars would have been used to detect, then loosely track, stealthier targets like RCS shaped cruise missiles like X-59 MK2 or X-69, then queue sharper, higher resolution radars to them.
As such they are priority targets and a good number has been destroyed using Lancets and X-35U missiles. But there might be more out there. The Russians have their own P-18s and they might also have been used to detect and track stealth shaped cruise missiles like Storm Shadow and SCALP. Recently one appears to have been damaged by a HIMARS attack with shrapnel.
Unrelated:
Russians promo 96LE radar use on the front.
Mi-28NM takes out Ukrainian vehicular target using a Vikhr ATGM.
Ukrainian marine and commando landing attempt on Dniepr island foiled by Russian paratroopers using a D-30 howitzer.
On top of that the Russians appear to have a solution or solutions against the Ukrainian drone menace. It entails discovering and tracking Ukrainian drones back to their source using Russian drones, then take out their location using FPV, artillery, Krasnopol, LMUR, FAB, MLRS with cluster munitions, even X-38ML or tank fire. As such the career of being a Ukrainian drone operator is increasingly shortened. And of course the Ukrainians would also use similar tactics, this war shows both sides would mirror each other on tactics that work.
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If they’re flying in a close formation, then the long wavelength radar may not have the resolution in azimuth and distance to tell apart the aircraft.
Post mortem on the Konopelka BMP engagement.
Really had me scratching my head why people think the BMP-2 with the V was Russian and the BMP-3 fired at it was friendly fire. This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what these signs are.
V stands for Vostok. Vehicles marked with V are Group Vostok. Where is the area of responsibility of Group Vostok? South Donetsk. We are referring to the front from Vremevsky Ledge to Konstantinovka village, including Ugledar. That's across Ukraine all the way to the south. Totally different front line.
Currently Kursk is handled by Group North but it will have a Group of its own under Group Kursk. Group North or Group Seversk has its own symbol.
Was there any unit from Group Vostok that was transferred to Group Seversk? Only one notable and that's the 155th Guards Marine Brigade who successfully captured Novomikhailovka (failed at Ugledar however). However the 155th isn't in Kursk but was deployed to the Kharkhiv front and currently fighting in Volchansk. Their vehicles would already have replaced the V symbol to the Seversk symbol since May. Recently artillery units of the 155th were providing fire support in Kursk, which may indicate they have some units in Kursk.
So there's no way the shooter in the BMP might be making a mistake. No way there's going to be a RuAF vehicle in Kursk that will sport a V.
The other thing is, that since the shooter is Russian Airborne, the shooting vehicle might actually be a BMD instead of a BMP.
Speaking of which, forces of Group Vostok has captured more area at the highway cutting off Ugledar from Konstantinovka village. Group V appears heading to assault Vodayne.
Not an MLRS or HIMARS but a Buk, taken out by Iskander in the Sumy region. Currently Ukrainian Buks are Franken-SAMed with AIM-7 Sparrows.
Destroyed Ukrainian Grad in the Kharkhiv region.
LMUR takes out a house used by Ukrainian troops, betrayed by the Starlink antenna.
Two Ukrainian vehicles taken out by FPV in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian BTR-60 destroyed by FPV in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian ST-68U radar in the Sumy region taken out by Lancet.
Russian flag with Wagner PMC emblem raised on the southern part of Konstantinovka village.
Abrams spotted near Pokrovsk.
FAB-500s hit Ukrainian storage areas in Kherson.
T-64BV taken out by artillery and FPV after collecting mines.
Russian artillery bombardment on Seversk region.
Russian MoD promo Buk-M3 and Tor-M2 taking out airborne targets.
After the engagement in Konopelka, more Ukrainian vehicles swarmed in, and they were treated to drone bombing.
Really had me scratching my head why people think the BMP-2 with the V was Russian and the BMP-3 fired at it was friendly fire. This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what these signs are.
V stands for Vostok. Vehicles marked with V are Group Vostok. Where is the area of responsibility of Group Vostok? South Donetsk. We are referring to the front from Vremevsky Ledge to Konstantinovka village, including Ugledar. That's across Ukraine all the way to the south. Totally different front line.
Currently Kursk is handled by Group North but it will have a Group of its own under Group Kursk. Group North or Group Seversk has its own symbol.
Was there any unit from Group Vostok that was transferred to Group Seversk? Only one notable and that's the 155th Guards Marine Brigade who successfully captured Novomikhailovka (failed at Ugledar however). However the 155th isn't in Kursk but was deployed to the Kharkhiv front and currently fighting in Volchansk. Their vehicles would already have replaced the V symbol to the Seversk symbol since May. Recently artillery units of the 155th were providing fire support in Kursk, which may indicate they have some units in Kursk.
So there's no way the shooter in the BMP might be making a mistake. No way there's going to be a RuAF vehicle in Kursk that will sport a V.
The other thing is, that since the shooter is Russian Airborne, the shooting vehicle might actually be a BMD instead of a BMP.
Speaking of which, forces of Group Vostok has captured more area at the highway cutting off Ugledar from Konstantinovka village. Group V appears heading to assault Vodayne.
Not an MLRS or HIMARS but a Buk, taken out by Iskander in the Sumy region. Currently Ukrainian Buks are Franken-SAMed with AIM-7 Sparrows.
Destroyed Ukrainian Grad in the Kharkhiv region.
LMUR takes out a house used by Ukrainian troops, betrayed by the Starlink antenna.
Two Ukrainian vehicles taken out by FPV in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian BTR-60 destroyed by FPV in the Kursk region.
Ukrainian ST-68U radar in the Sumy region taken out by Lancet.
Russian flag with Wagner PMC emblem raised on the southern part of Konstantinovka village.
Abrams spotted near Pokrovsk.
FAB-500s hit Ukrainian storage areas in Kherson.
T-64BV taken out by artillery and FPV after collecting mines.
Russian artillery bombardment on Seversk region.
Russian MoD promo Buk-M3 and Tor-M2 taking out airborne targets.
After the engagement in Konopelka, more Ukrainian vehicles swarmed in, and they were treated to drone bombing.