The War in the Ukraine

supersnoop said:

This is a bit of a joke, how will it escape an R-37M?

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Well aside from maneuvering tho, some methods like :
-Jamming
-Towed Decoy
-Chaff etc

can be used otherwise it needs to be able to kill the MiG-31 or Sukhoi platform first, means deploying F-16 escort far forward. This might work with Link 16 transmission, which to cue the F-16, which hopefully can be vectored in advantageous position for AMRAAM employement.

Problem with those however :
1.Russian ground based radars which constrain altitude where the F-16 can be stationed, too low then missile's kinematics become shit as it has to climb up where Russian fighter likely is.

2.Russia's own fighter jets. Well i dont think their anti AEW mission would fly without escorts. These escorts can use their own radars or backed up with A-50 AEW. well hopefully Russians solved their deconfliction issues and not shoot it down. There at least 5 or maybe 6 operational now, 1 is in Syria, 4-5 should be still available for SMO. additional airframe would be beneficial tho.

The Russian fighters may happily launch multiple missiles to help mitigating the countermeasures employed by the AEW. Also they probably wont bother dogfighting after unloading their AAM's.

The other concern would be Russian SAM's like S-300VM do present in the theatre, equipped with 9M82M or DMK missiles if such are available then it can participate in 200-350 km "freebie" shot against the AEW's. Also S-400's might seen 5P61 launchers getting on the theatre soon, carrying 40N6.

FriedButter said:

If there is so many weapons and munitions lying around with supposedly untouched military capabilities. Why aren’t they supplying more air defense missiles and systems?

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Maybe because they are not at direct war with Russia. It is not very difficult to reach this conclusion.

I don't comprehend the tactical and strategic pupose of using their weapons that work, quite limited in number, on a target that have no value on the battlefield. They used a volley of ATACMS on a ferry, managing to hit a glancing blow damaging the ship.


Why not using them on a target near Chasiv war to try to stop the advancing Russians ??? It would be way more efficient without the need to go 200 km into the interception range of s-300/s-400 missiles before being able to reach a target near the Kerch bridge.

Stealthflanker said:

Yeah, he just didnt mention how high the aircraft should fly to achieve that coverage. Which unfortunately make the plane visible from the ground.

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Well there's no danger from VKS since they rarely cross into occupy Ukraine airspace at high altitude. VKS drop their glide bombs sometimes still in Russian territory.

US knows locations of Russian s300/400 sites and Ukraine has been taking out the ones in Ukraine territory now that they have the means however most s300/400s are just inside Russia proper but in the coming days or weeks Ukraine will get the green light to hit inside Russia with US missiles and the first targets will likely be those Russian s300/400 sites near the border.

Russian s400s are in a pickle... either stay likely getting taken out or go further east reducing coverage over the frontlines.

Btw they haven't learned their lesson one cluster ATACMs will take that whole battery out.

Ukraine AWACS will likely be used with F-16's in missions and not flying all the time.

Sinnavuuty said:

Maybe because they are not at direct war with Russia. It is not very difficult to reach this conclusion.

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And it isn’t very difficult to reach the conclusion that your mythical overflowing stockpile of air defense assets doesn’t exist as the article says and what western officials has been saying for several months.

SolarWarden said:

Well there's no danger from VKS since they rarely cross into occupy Ukraine airspace at high altitude. VKS drop their glide bombs sometimes still in Russian territory.

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Do you assume VKS only come with glide bombs ?

SolarWarden said:

Russian s400s are in a pickle... either stay likely getting taken out or go further east reducing coverage over the frontlines.

Btw they haven't learned their lesson one cluster ATACMs will take that whole battery out.

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Assuming the site will still be there tho.

Atomicfrog said:

I don't comprehend the tactical and strategic pupose of using their weapons that work, quite limited in number, on a target that have no value on the battlefield. They used a volley of ATACMS on a ferry, managing to hit a glancing blow damaging the ship.

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Atomicfrog said:

Why not using them on a target near Chasiv war to try to stop the advancing Russians ??? It would be way more efficient without the need to go 200 km into the interception range of s-300/s-400 missiles before being able to reach a target near the Kerch bridge.

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Russians are advancing Chasiv? Are you sure?

SolarWarden said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796262523039260925

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Vandalism requiring 8 ballistic missiles on a ferry when there's plenty of military targets to go.

On the up side, I suppose that's the only Avangard Ukraine would ever be able to put a missile in.

SolarWarden said:

Well there's no danger from VKS since they rarely cross into occupy Ukraine airspace at high altitude. VKS drop their glide bombs sometimes still in Russian territory.

US knows locations of Russian s300/400 sites and Ukraine has been taking out the ones in Ukraine territory now that they have the means however most s300/400s are just inside Russia proper but in the coming days or weeks Ukraine will get the green light to hit inside Russia with US missiles and the first targets will likely be those Russian s300/400 sites near the border.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796182648135508340

Russian s400s are in a pickle... either stay likely getting taken out or go further east reducing coverage over the frontlines.

Btw they haven't learned their lesson one cluster ATACMs will take that whole battery out.

Ukraine AWACS will likely be used with F-16's in missions and not flying all the time.

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You get really wrong conclusions.

1 - Number of S400 launchers in Russian army is far superior to what you think. They had more than 400 launchers as of 2019.
At that time they have also delivered 24 launchers to China, in 2022 60 to India and a non disclosed number to Algeria and Belarus.
Then count how much they may have built since 2019, specially after the successive increase in military budget.
What Ukraine have destroyed is a drop in a ocean, not covering even the yearly production of these systems.
And this counting that they didn’t destroy decoys as you like to pretend with all batteries

2 - You forgot that small country just a little north of Ukraine where there are actually both S400 and VKS, with basically the north half of all Ukrainian territory under range.

There are a lot of danger for those swedes planes you basically will not see them being used. Similar to the challengers tanks being hidden

Santamaria said:

You get really wrong conclusions.

1 - Number of S400 launchers in Russian army is far superior to what you think. They had more than 400 launchers as of 2019.
At that time they have also delivered 24 launchers to China, in 2022 60 to India and a non disclosed number to Algeria and Belarus.
Then count how much they may have built since 2019, specially after the successive increase in military budget.
What Ukraine have destroyed is a drop in a ocean, not covering even the yearly production of these systems.
And this counting that they didn’t destroy decoys as you like to pretend with all batteries

2 - You forgot that small country just a little north of Ukraine where there are actually both S400 and VKS, with basically the north half of all Ukrainian territory under range.

There are a lot of danger for those swedes planes you basically will not see them being used. Similar to the challengers tanks being hidden

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Who cares about how many launchers. Russians can have trillions of launchers for all NATO cares it is the track/acquisition radar that is thee most important part of battery and those aren't plenty.