The War in the Ukraine

Sinnavuuty

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Hi,
may be this is also one of the reason to change Defence minister in the middle of the war, though this should have happened of not in start at least first year of war of first six months of war
thank you
According to Rybar, these shelters were built with money based on voluntary donations. This is truly impressive for a country that is spending 8.7% of its GDP on Defense resources.

It's going from bad to worse.
 

Soldier30

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Operation of the TOS-2 Tosochka flamethrower in Ukraine. The Russian crew of the TOS-2 “Tosochka” heavy flamethrower vehicle told their impressions of the combat vehicle and showed how it is used in Ukraine. TOS-2 “Tosochka” was created on the basis of the TOS-1 heavy flamethrower vehicle, the firing range of the TOS-2 “Tosochka” is up to 18 kilometers. The TOS-2 “Tosochka” is equipped with an electronic warfare system and arrays for protection against drones; the combat vehicle is guided to targets using a UAV.

 

Sinnavuuty

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That ASC890 will be manned by Swedish volunteer ??? No way they can train crews and technicians for those in a meaningfull time frame.
I am not sure. If not in a war, operator instruction could be carried out between ordering and delivery of the aircraft as is normally done with this type of AEW aircraft, with the country that delivered the aircraft being able to take the instruction course.

However, with only two units, I think it would be extremely vital for Ukraine to use it to fulfill the integrated air defense requirement, interconnecting the battlefield data link to shape Ukraine's capability in DCA missions, carrying out a better and with greater awareness of Russian bombings intercepting drones and missiles launched towards Ukraine, mainly in the Kiev region.

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Santamaria

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According to Rybar, these shelters were built with money based on voluntary donations. This is truly impressive for a country that is spending 8.7% of its GDP on Defense resources.

It's going from bad to worse.
You talk like if that country is not fighting a war and wining against “the biggest and most powerful alliance in history”

For sure Russians are not crying in their corner about their performance, with shelters or not.

I really don’t get the obsession that exist with shelters.

People here speaking like if Russians are losing dozens of Su57 and Tu160 per month when they have lost in these attacks to bases basically old su27 and one mig31, and one Tu22M deep inside Russia.
Loses that most likely. would have happen with the shelters.

When you fight a peer adversary evidently you are going to suffer attacks and loses. You defend something and the adversary find another blind spot.

What count Is if you produce more than it’s destroys and if your opponent produces more than it get destroyed.

The numbers clearly favour the Russians so I don’t understand statements like: “this go from bad to worse”
 

HighGround

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I am not sure. If not in a war, operator instruction could be carried out between ordering and delivery of the aircraft as is normally done with this type of AEW aircraft, with the country that delivered the aircraft being able to take the instruction course.

However, with only two units, I think it would be extremely vital for Ukraine to use it to fulfill the integrated air defense requirement, interconnecting the battlefield data link to shape Ukraine's capability in DCA missions, carrying out a better and with greater awareness of Russian bombings intercepting drones and missiles launched towards Ukraine, mainly in the Kiev region.

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The quickest way to get it operational is to fill it with NATO crews.

The safest way for it to operate is deep within Western Ukraine or in NATO countries.

In my opinion, this thing will operate in Western Ukraine to help defend against cruise missiles and help monitor Russian CAPs, CAS runs.
 

Tam

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Staromayorsky has fallen to the Russians. Urozhayne will soon fall next. Kinzhals hit on a Ukrainian base in the west of the country. Rumors alledge at least 300 may have been killed.

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Russian armored column has entered into Urozhayne.

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Correction to a previous post. A Ukrainian pontoon bridge was hit by a X-38ML during the crossing of a convoy.

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Two Ukrainian Osa-AKM air defense systems were knocked out by Lancets in the Kharkhiv front.

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Another bridge in the Kupyansk front gets taken out by an X-38ML.

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Another Abrams tank gets Krasnopoled in the Ocheretino front, by the Siberian Association.

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Ukrainian T-72B3 (previously captured from the Russians) gets knocked out by a Lancet in the Kupyansk front.

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Ukrainian T-80BV lost a turret.

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Ukrainian sea drone in the Black Sea taken out by Russian FPV drone.

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More missiles strike Odessa.

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Baba Yaga rammed by Russian drone, which managed to survive the encounter. By the 247th VDV.

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Ukrainians using a D-30 howitzer and it's destruction.

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ODAB-1500 landing at Ukrainian held Yuzhno-Donetsk no. 3 mine near Ugledar.

 

sheogorath

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In my opinion, this thing will operate in Western Ukraine to help defend against cruise missiles and help monitor Russian CAPs, CAS runs.
How, though?.

F-16AM's don't have means to intercept cruise missiles and AEW aircrafts won't do much with a decimated air defence that can't be replaced. Monitoring the CAP and CAS runs will require the aircraft to move closer to the frontlines if they want to see more than the bare minimun, exposing them to the MiG-31's in Belarus.

Also these arent fighters but commuter prop planes with a massive radar on top. If they get caught in a bad position, they won't be able to get away quickly enough.
 

Index

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Probably a simpler explanation is that those AEW planes will never be fully given, either there will be an absurd deadline (like 2028) and/or they will be added to the pool of existing US AEW aircraft not under Ukrainian flags and used from NATO airspace until said "deadline" until which the Ukrainians are not expected to survive anyways.

Ukraine has nothing to protect it with in its own airspace, it is literally just a giant target sign awaiting the moment it enters Ukraine so Russians can score telegram points.
 
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