The War in the Ukraine

Santamaria

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nothing, they are images that confirm an effective attack on a Russian base... everything is normal, except for the pro-Russian fans who seem to feel offended because their pamphlet version that "nothing is happening" has been

You have not understood anything... I have never tried to say that Ukraine is winning or destroying Russia... I only mention that the Russians, due to ineptitude, have lost to a rival like Ukraine more than anyone ever imagined before. the war... and that while the Ukrainians are improving their strategic attacks, the Russians remain inert in the face of improving their defenses in a base like Belbek, which with each passing day becomes more vulnerable...

Just as Russia has acted, a base like Belbek, faced with an enemy better equipped than Ukraine, will simply be destroyed at the will of its enemy... and we are not talking about just any base, but a first-class base

His diatribe regarding whether the equipment is decoys or real is simply absurd... The attacks are coming, they are hitting infrastructure, killing military personnel and affecting the base's own operations without the defense systems doing what they are supposed to. What they should do, which is precisely to protect the infrastructure and everything that is there.

Looking for an excuse that planes were not lost to invent the Decoys Comic, is totally absurd... it's your consolation prize... I'm sorry


By the way, the guys from @fighterbomber make an analysis regarding the deficiencies at the Belbek base, after years of war, and what has already been mentioned in this forum, investment is required in concrete structures

He also says that they have not seen a new concrete structure in the Russian bases in the last 50 years, that is, one that adapts to the new planes and their operations, that is, fucking laziness.

So when they talk happily about the Russian military budget, and I found out that they have not been able to invest even in hangars, I can't help but think about Russian corruption and negligence in even having the intention of better protecting their systems, other than with tires and improvised cages


Nobody is offended, I simply explained you reality.
1 - That same arguments have been applied here repeatedly to dimiss Russian destroying patriots can be applied

2 - That your narrative is totally based in your prejudices against Russians being stupids

3 - That you portrait this as something’s trascendental when it’s old planes what is being destroyed

4 - That you portrait Ukraine destroying Russian assets as some kind of wow event that proofs your prejudices against Russians. Of course Ukraine destroy Russian assets, this is a war, both sides hit.
Also Ukraine is not “Ukraine”, its attacks are planned by full NATO intel.

5 - I don’t know if Belvek is an important base or not, but the planes stationed there does not seem to support it. The only who could be really important is the Mig31, and depende if is modernise or not

6 - Your last paragraph is just another exercise of supremacist idealism.

7 - I find very funny all this narrative about reinforced hangars because just proof the ignorance of most people about military matters.
Reinforced Hangars are very expensive and not so effective. During I Gulf War Iraq has reinforced hangars built in a grade superior of NATO and old Warsaw Pact, it didn’t avoid them being obliterated by precision missiles destroying the gates and then hitting inside.
Also big guide bombs were demolishing them.

Of course if they are already built they are useful, but the cost of building them for all the fleet is a no go.
It’s not a question of corruption.

8 - It’s particularly funny that if Russians would be corrupt as you say. They would build it, there is not a business where is easier to smuggle money than in construction.
But ey, don’t let reality to spoil your narratives and prejudices.

Anyway, think whatever you want and have a nice weekend
 

Tam

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So what was struck by Iskander in Odessa was a warehouse containing Ukrainian naval drones.

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Another Ukrainian Gvozdika SPG taken out by Lancet in the Kharkhiv region. And another.

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Ukrainian warehouse of mortar shells hit by artillery from the 6th MR Division in the Artemovsk sector.

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Commander of the 249th Anti Aircraft Missile Division of the AFU reported killed.

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Ukrainian BMP destroyed in the Kharkhiv area.

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A major of the Ukraine Main Intelligence Directive reported killed. GUR units were thrown into the front in Kharkhiv.

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Ukrainian operating base for UAVs gets hit by artillery. And another in the northern front hit with shells from MSTA-B.

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FPV drone attacks a Bradley.

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Ukrainian Grad MLRS taken out by Lancet in the Kharkhiv region. And another.

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Ukrainian tank hit by ATGM of the 14th SPN Brigade.

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Ukrainian ground robot used to collect fallen drones was hit by a Russian FPV drone.

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Ukrainian Su-27 shot down in air to air. Pilot deceased. From the AFU 831st Brigade.

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Ukrainian Gvozdika SPG knocked out by Krasnopol-M2 with an Orlan 30 doing the lasing.

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Canadian Roshel Senator MRAP blown up by mine.

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Gerans striking Mirgorod city in Poltava region. Explosions reported.

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Tornado-U? MLRS truck with the northern group symbol.

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Ukrainian artillery getting taken out by Krasnopols from Giatsint-B and MSTA-B of the 238th Artillery Brigade in the Krasnogorovka area.

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Ukrainian self propelled howitzer, possibly Western origin, goes into a vehicle hanger which was subsequently shelled by artillery of the 40th Brigade.


Molniya is the name? A new kind of Russian winged FPV drone used against a Ukrainian pickup and a Gvozdika SPG.

 
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pendragon

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Something new.
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This should make sense, as the 57mm will be more effective in AA mode (against drones) and packs more punch against fortifications, buildings and lightly armoured vehicles (APC, IFC, ...) anything bigger could still be dealt with by a cornet ATM
I hope to see it being tried out on the battlefield in Ukraine .
 

sheogorath

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Likely that Mig-29 must be Ukranian. Belbek is also a junkyard of abandoned Ukranian planes still

But the patriot radar that got struck a little while back was most definitely a decoy and couldn't be anything else, as mentioned by some members here.
Everything Russia hits is a decoy. Its just a coincidence that Ukraine seems to have a diminished AD capability after every destroyed decoy

Also Ukraine is not “Ukraine”, its attacks are planned by full NATO intel.

It is part of the issue, everything surrounding Crimea is done with NATO ISR assets, so it is not "just Ukraine". Also when something like this happens, we get satellite images a few hours or day after, while there is complete radio silence on that end even when there are weeks when Ukranian facilities gets nailed daily.

Allows to shape a narrative but thats about it at this point, as narratives don't translate to gains on ground.

Not sure if already posted since I missed some pages, but Yes for sure … nothing hit, nothing to see
Already mentioned and pointed out the MiG-29 it is likely Ukranian. And like I said, they could be decoys, right?. Since everything of value nowadays is a decoy according to the narrative.
 

TK3600

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If you can provide transcript for the video I can tell you.

In the meantime:

You can't compare tanks unless you have meaningful parameters and ceteris paribus of:
  • similar doctrine,
  • tactical level,
  • crew training,
  • combined arms support
  • comparable combat scenarios.
For example it is possible to compare T-72 and T-80 in Russian service during this war but not Russian tanks with Ukrainian tanks. They fight too differently.

Furthermore tanks, more than any other ground combat system, are designed for intended use in large numbers - at the very minimum it is the platoon level for NATO tactics (4 tanks) and company level for Russian tactics (10 tanks). Ideally it is a tank battalion for both.

The misconception comes from the fact that many combat systems can be meaningfully compared 1-on-1. People online like to compare aircraft or warships and these work fairly well 1-on-1. But for example even IFVs are different from tanks in that they can be assessed on three levels:
  • as a company-strength AFV formation fighting at a distance - company of IFVs is fighting
  • a platoon-strength mechanised formation closing the distance to deploy its infantry - platoon of IFVs and infantry are fighting
  • a single vehicle supporting its dismounted squad - infantry squad is fighting and IFV is providing support
Tank tactics don't work like this, even though tanks can be used in the above manner with a degree of success. Tanks are like infantry - they operate in packs. Tanks also have a primary mission on the battlefield which is facilitating breakthrough and the resulting penetration raid in the enemy rear. The second mission is combined armour-infantry assault on defended positions which is the stage immediately before the breakthrough and tanks are used as fire support as well as the force executing the penetration raid in case of success. A single tank providing support or fighting another tank, that's an accident, an error of command or poor planning on higher level.

This is why Russia lost so many tanks during the first assault on Vuhledar in winter last year - they were attempting to use textbook armoured tactics and massed several tank battalions for the purpose of combined arms assault and attempt at breakthrough on a local level. Ukrainian defenses were too strong and the losses were inevitable.

Talking about western tanks is also meaningless because Ukraine is not only not using tanks the way tanks are meant to be used (see above) but from what I've seen they're using NATO vehicles to execute WarPact tactics. There's a reason why Soviet tanks were primitive - they fit the intended tactics. WarPact tactics were primitive because they relied on mass conscription for offensive warfare. Offensive warfare is more difficult than defensive warfare and you can't train conscripts sufficiently well during their time of service. So WarPact used greater numbers and larger tactical formations to compensate for insufficient number of trained officers and NCOs. This is why until mid-80s the tank regiment was 81 tanks in 5 companies of 16 tanks. Each company had platoons commanded by non-commisioned "praporchiki" and tanks commanded by sargeants who were not professional NCOs! It was only in the 1980s that they started to reform their regiments to the current 3x3x(3x3+1) structure.

In WarPact personnel determined tactics and tactics determined tank design and not the other way around. If you give cheap weapons to expensive soldiers you're wasting soldiers' potential. If you give expensive weapons to cheap soldiers you're wasting the weapon's potential.

Using M1A1 the same way that a T-72 was meant to be used is wasting M1's potential. M1A1 were intended to be used by professional crews in cooperation with M2 with professional dismounts. They were also intended for the defensive, not the offensive.

Ukraine got 31 M1A1 - that's a Soviet 1980s tank battalion. The platoons are not meant to be used individually, the company of 10 tanks is the minimum tactical level. Has anyone seen Ukrainians using 10 M1A1's at the same time? I haven't seen them use Leopard 2s properly and they got over twice as many of them as the Abrams.

Before the war Ukraine was attempting to transition to NATO company model with 14 tanks (3x4 +2) while keeping WarPact mech companies with 10 BMPs but as soon as mobilisation entered the picture they reverted to WarPact doctrine since that's what reserves understand and... it is a doctrine designed for mass mobilisation with limited training after all.

Also talking about tank performance when personnel performance - including command - is unknown is wasting time. Ukrainian 47th brigade had best equipment (M2, L2A6) and they failed miserably near Orikhiv because they had poor quality personnel. At the same time experienced mechanised brigades using M113s and T-72s were having success in other parts of the front.

M113 for example is doing surprisingly well in Ukraine because it is tall enough that dynamic mounting/dismounting of troops is possible. BMP-1/2 and BTR-80s have horrible ergonomics because they were meant to dismount only during assault that was performed with numerical superiority and with tank support, and the dismounting was done at approx. 500m before enemy lines while the vehicles were moving forward. It made sense for WarPact at the time but it's a horrible design to do anything else. M113 or YPR-765 with 12,7mm are preferred to BMP-1s with inaccurate Grom guns because of flexibility. Ukrainians love M2s and CV90s because they're better armoured M113 with bigger guns.

As for tanks the opinions I heard is that they acknowledge that they're better than Soviet designs (M1/L2 are generation newer than T-72/80) but they can't really use them properly because they simply don't have the necessary support to mass and utilise tank formations. So instead we're getting Vuhledar but on a smaller scale.

I've heard and read plenty of meaningful comparisons between personnel carriers and artillery but tanks are simply not used in a way that allows for it. Anyone who claims otherwise while relying on OSINT sources is lying but since lying pays online more and more people do it.
Warsaw Pact do not really represent Soviet doctrine that well. They are basically 2nd class units while the Soviet troops stationed do the heavy lifting.
 

Tam

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Gepard gets knocked out by a Lancet.

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Russians have captured Bugrovatka.

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Number of published Lancet videos have reached 1700 and May looking like a record month. Kharkhiv front has yielded a bumper crop for Lancet strikes.

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Another Ukrainian tank gets taken out by FPV drone in the south of Volchansk.

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A plant in Kharkhiv constructing special vehicles gets hit with a strike.

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Lancet hits a T-72 tank.

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Lt. Col. Vasiluk's Su-27 appears to have been taken out by an R-37M from a Russian fighter.

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Czech Vampire MLRS taken out by drone in Liptsy. Not sure if it's a Lancet but it could be one of those Molniya winged FPV drones.

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Hidden Ukrainian howitzers gets taken out by counterbattery fire.

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Polish Krab gets out by Lancet in the Kharkhiv front.

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Krasnopol takes out a Ukrainian howitzer near Pazeno.

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Akasya SPG gets taken out by a Lancet.

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Ukrainian BMP takes a direct hit and finished off with FPV drone.

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Iskander takes out Ukrainian ammo depot in Dachne.

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Two Ukrainian MLRS taken out by Lancets in the Kharkhiv front.

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Two RBK-500 cluster bombs set for delivery to Volchansk.

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Ukrainian Osa AD system mounting R-73 missiles.

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Shelter of Ukrainian mortar crew hit with artillery in Konstantinovka.

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Ukrainian drone bombs a TOS but the TOS got lucky and got away.

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FPV drones attacks Bradleys in the Avdeyevka direction. This appears to be by the Vega detachment.

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Another battle of Soviet equipment. MSTA-B of the 238th takes out a Ukrainian Gvozdika SPG.

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Ukrainian BMP and Marder gets taken out by ATGMs by the VDV.

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Three FABs hit Niu York simultaneously. Again could be air strike UMPK but it could also be UMPB from Tornado-S.

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Ukraine hits captured hospital building in Volchansk with 6 to 7 GLSDB. Apparently the Russians didn't have the time to properly set up their EW on the newly captured site.

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French Danish CAESAR SPG gets hit by FPV drone.

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Ukraine tries again with a masses attack of sea drones towards Sebastopol. Botched attempt results in about 20-25 drones destroyed in sea.

 
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Tam

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Bilche Volitsa gas compressor station in Lyiv, Ukraine, destroyed. This is the second largest gas storage unit in Europe.

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Bombs arriving in Niu York near Gorlovka.

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Battle of Chasiv Yar. The 98th VDV takes a foothold.

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Ukrainian drone attack in Novorossiysk repulsed.

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Ukrainian construction equipment building strongholds gets hit by Lancets.

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Another 155mm Bogdan SPG gets hit by Lancet.

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Knocked out T-64BV near Kleshcheevka.

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M777 knocked out in the Kharkhiv region by Lancet.

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LMUR hits a house used by Ukrainian forces across the right side of Dniepr.

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Arrival of glide bombs in the village of Makarivka against Ukrainian deployment points and warehouses. Zaporozhye.

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Ukrainian armored vehicle taken out by FPV drone courtesy of BOBR.

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Pickup used by the AFU for transport gets hit by FPV drone of the 238th.

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Ukrainian field ammo depot gets taken out by the 69th Brigade. Zaporozhye.

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The AFU 115th Brigade in the Avdeyevka sector just blasted one of their own. The cost of rushed training.

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