The War in the Ukraine

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FairAndUnbiased

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gadgetcool5 said:
Serhiy Gaidai, the Ukrainian governor of Luhansk province: "Right now, our soldiers have pushed them back, (the Russians) are suffering huge casualties," Gaidai said in a live TV broadcast. "The Russian army, as we understand, is throwing all its efforts, all its reserves in that direction."

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How would he know? He'd have to know order of battles for all Russian units in the area to know if Russia has committed reserves.

From a purely operational standpoint Russia has fire support superiority so they aren't the ones that need to commit reserves here.
 
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anzha

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Sorry about the late reply. A lot of personal stuff going on.

FADH1791 said:
I understand you are cautious but let’s be real since Phase 2 started Russia has had the momentum in the Donbas. And I get there is plenty of fight left but let’s be realistic you think the Ukrainian grouping in Donbas can handle this level of intensive shelling, aerial and missile bombardment for another 45-60 days? They are just starting to buckle. We are seeing defensive positions simply being given up. They are taking horrific loses.
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I am being cautious because from my POV the war should have been over a looooong time ago. The Russians ought to have stomped the Ukrainians into the ground. They have not. In over 100 days of war, the Russians have captured only 20% (+/-) of Ukraine.

I am also quite aware of the morale of the Ukrainian side. It's not buckling. At least not yet.

As for Russian momentum? They've moved the front a few tens of kilometers. In a month.

FADH1791 said:
We have had video after video of Ukrainian soldiers refusing to fight because they are getting massacred.
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And we have report after report of Russian soldier killing officers, refusing to fight, resigning and/or going AWOL.

Be cautious with the news and data being posted. Be careful about believing all that you want to rather than what appears to be the case.

Right now, we've heard the Russians are pouring everything into Severodonetsk and the city! is! their's! Huzzah!

Wait?!

The Ukrainians are now launching an offensive to retake the city and the Russians are getting butchered because it was a trap.

Who do we believe? I don't believe either. I'll wait and see.

We will know what is going on in a few days. Hence, caution.
 
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gelgoog

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FADH1791 said:
The rumor is that there wasn’t any counterattack in Severdonetsk. Basically the Ukrainian got the order from Lisichansk to reinforce the Ukrainian army grouping in the industrial zone. And that there is some foreign legions that has arrived to reinforce the industrial zone grouping. There maybe plans for a counter attack but there isn’t visual evidence of what Kiev is claiming. On the flip side the same for the Russian side. However we will see visual proof tomorrow.
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What I heard is there are mercenaries in the industrial zone. There was talk that the Russians intercepted voice radio communications in Polish and English originating from that zone. The Ukrainians blew up some chemicals in the industrial zone. The industrial zone has the Azot fertilizer plant. So it should have lots of chemicals which can be used as explosives. My guess is the Russians are figuring out how to proceed to take that out. I would just bomb the place and blow them up with it. But it would probably result in toxic fume clouds from the nitric acid which might spread to the populated areas.
 
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gelgoog

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sheogorath said:
If its true the T-72M1R had their thermals removed, thats quite a terrible move and and further proves that Ukraine is just being used to get rid of obsolete stocks.
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I kind of doubt it. What is more likely is that the Poles sent them non-upgraded T-72's.

Still if you believe those reports the BMPT proved itself well even facing enemy tanks and winning. Supposedly also hit an enemy helicopter with the Ataka missiles.
 
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Dolcevita

Major
Black Shark said:
Where are the pictures as evidence to the claimed numbers especially for Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-24/35? I have seen one Ka-52 destroyed by ATGM, but that was it. Some were damaged by MANPADS but managed to land. Where are the rest 17 Ka-52 with video/photo evidence? No picture or confirmation by the other side = is assumed to be propaganda.
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Here are some sources for the Ka-52 with relevant "sources".

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RottenPanzer

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gelgoog said:
I kind of doubt it. What is more likely is that the Poles sent them non-upgraded T-72's.

Still if you believe those reports the BMPT proved itself well even facing enemy tanks and winning. Supposedly also hit an enemy helicopter with the Ataka missiles.
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Pretty sure Poland never send any of their T-72M1R into Ukraine and those T-72s that were send were just vanilla T-72M1s with no substantial upgrade to the tank.

I would find it's believable to find it performing well against Ukrainian tanks since Ukrainians doesn't have a strong ammo to penetrate Terminator from the front which was protected by Relikt ERA while Ukrainians only have 3BM42 from the late 80s
 
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