It was good salvage... so they are not thinking of taking back the place.
The War in the Ukraine
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Both sides are claiming heavy losses on each other. Russians have posted pictures of captured makeshift fortifications so it's definitely true that at least some Ukrainian forces stayed back to defend/ambush, probably in the western part of the city.
The Russians are claiming the Ukrainians have withdrawn to the industrial complex for another Mariupol type situation.
Yeah. it was kind of obvious they were in a hurry and despite knocking out the tank, they weren't really holding the area
So, chances are Russia can manage to recover the tank and send it back.
This is what I heard too. There were some back and forth but situation did not change, Russian control 80% of the city while Ukrainians are holding out in the industrial sector.
More important than who controls how much ground is how forces are distributed. Previously before the assault on the city began I saw the estimation was 2,000 Ukrainians in Severodonetsk and 10,000 in Lysychansk. If Ukranian did counterattack one would assume the 2,000 men got some reinforcement from Lysychansk, as Lysychansk itself isn't experiencing any combat other than shelling.
I am assuming no further reinforcement in numbers that are relevant are reaching Lysychansk as I've seen videos of T1302 and it's all but impassible. Apparently these days it's also being patrolled by Ka-52 to further ensure no one gets in or out.
The Ukrainians can't be distributed evenly. It seems at this point they have 10-12k forces pinned down in the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk salient with their road of retreat under fire. That's going to mostly be shooters too, not logistics, so it's the fighting equivalent of ~20k or so, 10% of their entire force.
What I'm interested in is why there's no push west from Donetsk, a major Russian base that doesn't have any significant urban areas to their west but does have Ukrainian supply routes, while their attention is focused on Luhansk.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Throwing a grenade into an abandoned tank counts as combat now?
Dvornikov no longer in control it seems
Couldn't find this in other news except Yahoo, so be sceptical regarding the news
Couldn't find this in other news except Yahoo, so be sceptical regarding the news
Black Shark
Junior Member
Where are the pictures as evidence to the claimed numbers especially for Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-24/35? I have seen one Ka-52 destroyed by ATGM, but that was it. Some were damaged by MANPADS but managed to land. Where are the rest 17 Ka-52 with video/photo evidence? No picture or confirmation by the other side = is assumed to be propaganda.
Russia has about 80 BTGs in reserve right now. US defense intelligence has reported about this since Phase 2 started. They are sitting around waiting for the order to attack. What’s being used for the ground fighting right now is a combo of spec ops, Chechen volunteers, Wagner group volunteers, DPR/LPR fighters. It appeared Russian soldiers are just providing artillery support and some armored support. And Russia is slowly building up forces in Kherson. The issue with Russia back in Fed and March was they open d to many fronts with too few men, with little air, artillery and missile support. They stretched themselves to thin. The idea was to force a collapse of the Kiev regime. When the Ukrainians bravely defended their positions the plan B was to focus on the Donbas and annihilate the most battle hardened group of Ukrainian fighters. Russia has a bunch of fighters in reserve waiting. My best hypothesis is that Russia is waiting for the Donbas pocket collapse then order the reserves to attack. Keep in mind the Donbas area has lots of highly defensive fortifications. It is not smart to send all them to attack these positions risking high casualties. So they are grinding them. Utilizing heavy artillery, missiles and aerial bombardment to break these defenses to pieces. Then not advance past their supply lines. Only advance after sufficient artillery bombardment. The Ukrainian defense is starting to buckle. They cannot handle this level of border t for 45-60 days. It’s like the battle of Verdun. Plus Ukraine has no capability to launch an effective counter offensive. Not to mention they have no air cover for an offensive in the frost place. So they are stuck in static defense. Either they retreat to the west or stand and fight. The leadership is having them stand and fight which will lead to the encirclement and annihaltion of the Ukraine Donbas grouping. Russia is in cruise control.
I don't know whether or not your post is a joke (I assume not as you're writing something about propaganda and stuff) but you should start with googling Oryx website and see the list with photo and video evidence for yourself.