The War in the Ukraine

baykalov

baykalov

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According to Ukrainian propaganda, there is a very successful counterattack in Sievierodonetsk and the Russian army has suffered a "real and huge defeat".

Do we have any other source of information to confirm this?!
 
sheogorath

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redion said:
A list of all the losses that the Russian Aerospace Forces have suffered (this are all visually confirmed )
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532138997912416256
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10 Su-34 and 5 Su-30SM confirmed?. Is there an actual list of bort numbers out there with visual confirmation of each one?.

At this point it seems Ukraine is just asking for random stuff to see what sticks and probably as a way to exert political pressure on its backers, to whine on global media about how the world isn't doing enough for them.

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RottenPanzer

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sheogorath said:
10 Su-34 and 5 Su-30SM confirmed?. Is there an actual list of bort numbers out there with visual confirmation of each one?.

At this point it seems Ukraine is just asking for random stuff to see what sticks and probably as a way to exert political pressure on its backers, to whine on global media about how the world isn't doing enough for them.

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He based his assumption based on Oryx blog i assume
 
sheogorath

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RottenPanzer said:
He based his assumption based on Oryx blog i assume
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I figured it must be that, so I checked the blog for the visual confirmation and only 4-5 have distinct serial number or identification marking within the pictures, of the rest, the pictures don't offer much evidence and could have easily been part of the other wreckages, like this one
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, which would help inflate numbers and he also counts a Su-34 that allegedly crashed inside Belarus, which is just disingenous and makes it seems like he is just trying rack numbers up with 0 attempt at being rigorous.

And he has done that before, using different picture angles of the same wreck to claim they are different vehicle losses.

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Checked the Su-30SM losses one, he includes one that burned on the ground due to an engine fire, but labels it with an ambigous "destroyed on the ground". :rolleyes:
Of the rest, only two wreckage pictures, of which only one is identifiable as a Flanker, the others are just pictures of portraits of pilots allegedly killed in Ukraine with no evidence of the aircrafts.

So, "visual confirmation" in some of these cases seems kind of a stretch.
 
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MortyandRick

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RottenPanzer said:
The propaganda source?
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It's propaganda, that's why the request for further confirmation.

sheogorath said:
I figured it must be that, so I checked the blog for the visual confirmation and only 4-5 have distinct serial number or identification marking within the pictures, of the rest, the pictures don't offer much evidence and could have easily been part of the other wreckages, like this one
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, which would help inflate numbers and he also counts a Su-34 that allegedly crashed inside Belarus, which is just disingenous and makes it seems like he is just trying rack numbers up with 0 attempt at being rigorous.

And he has done that before, using different picture angles of the same wreck to claim they are different vehicle losses.

EDIT:

Checked the Su-30SM losses one, he includes one that burned on the ground due to an engine fire, but labels it with an ambigous "destroyed on the ground". :rolleyes:
Of the rest, only two wreckage pictures, of which one only one is identifiable as a Flanker, the other are just pictures of portraits of pilots allegedly killed in Ukraine with no evidence of the aircrafts.

So, "visual confirmation" in some of these cases seems kind of a stretch.
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But that's been the issue with orxy all along, even at the beginning of the conflict many here have made that criticism. Just because there are no other sources doing this doesn't mean we should take orxy numbers at face value.
 
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