The War in the Ukraine

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gelgoog

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I guess now we know why that Antonov lead engineer got arrested by the SBU.
He probably objected to them handing out the crown jewels like that.
I assume they will be moving most of the design and lead technical talent towards Lviv or even Poland.
And likely will also move most of the technical specifications and design documents.
 
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pmc

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plawolf said:
That’s why we had so many high end Flankers shot down (needlessly) early in the war, and probably why the VKS has been conspicuously absent from the war ever since, apart from low level Su25 attacks.
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There is no evidence any Flanker from recent batches shot down. They may have crashed due to technical failures and claimed shot down. Ukraine has no ability to use radar guided SAMs or AAMs on target. why use PGMs when there plenty of high speed missiles both from ground and air.
when you look at this picture where missiles are covered. it mean they are using it in long term training. not removing it from aircraft.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/507544749625335808
 
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Janiz

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Abominable said:
Interesting post here. What do we think the transfer of military-technical documentation means? I imagine aircraft engines?
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Poland and Ukrainian full-out military alliance becoming reality after 400 years? A great geopolitical headache for Russia (I'm avoiding using big words like "strategic defeat") to put it short. It's a crafty process which started after 2014 with assimilation of Ukrainians more into Western-zone and now it's speeding up. Of course it haven't happened as of yet of course so it's nothing like rainbows and other stuff.

If anything was working right in the Ukraine before 2022 it was the arms industry. Now Poland is trying (what it should do) to mop up anything that's left out of it - exceptionally qualified engineers, master craftsmen etc. Coupled with possible financing and possibilities it's great way for both countries to benefit out of it. And now we can be sure that whatever Ukrainian leading arms engineers had in their minds is becoming a secondary spoil of the war for the West as they're more than welcome to share it with them.
 
sheogorath

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Janiz said:
exceptionally qualified engineers, master craftsmen etc.
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Most of them already left for Russia when Maidan happened and Ukraine couldn't even built An-32 anymore after the corruption deepened

Janiz said:
Coupled with possible financing and possibilities it's great way for both countries to benefit out of it.
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Has even Poland itself benefited of having its national industries become mere subsidiaries of American weapons manufacturers to think what's left of Ukraine will even manage to benefit from it? Lol.
 
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Abominable

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Janiz said:
Poland and Ukrainian full-out military alliance becoming reality after 400 years? A great geopolitical headache for Russia (I'm avoiding using big words like "strategic defeat") to put it short. It's a crafty process which started after 2014 with assimilation of Ukrainians more into Western-zone and now it's speeding up. Of course it haven't happened as of yet of course so it's nothing like rainbows and other stuff.

If anything was working right in the Ukraine before 2022 it was the arms industry. Now Poland is trying (what it should do) to mop up anything that's left out of it - exceptionally qualified engineers, master craftsmen etc. Coupled with possible financing and possibilities it's great way for both countries to benefit out of it. And now we can be sure that whatever Ukrainian leading arms engineers had in their minds is becoming a secondary spoil of the war for the West as they're more than welcome to share it with them.
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Any competent engineer from Ukraine is going to Germany or the US while the opportunity is still open. They aren't going to move to Poland to get paid in potatoes. Anyone who stays in Poland are either Nazis (who would fit in perfectly) or people who do menial work, i.e. clean toilets, wash cars etc. In other words the jobs that Polish people are doing in all of Europe.

I think this is more about intellectual property.
sheogorath said:
Eastern and South Ukraine gets annexed into Russia and Western Ukraine gets annexed into Poland.
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If that happens I think the war will continue on into Poland.
 
plawolf

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Abominable said:
Any competent engineer from Ukraine is going to Germany or the US while the opportunity is still open. They aren't going to move to Poland to get paid in potatoes. Anyone who stays in Poland are either Nazis (who would fit in perfectly) or people who do menial work, i.e. clean toilets, wash cars etc. In other words the jobs that Polish people are doing in all of Europe.

I think this is more about intellectual property.

If that happens I think the war will continue on into Poland.
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Hey, with the way inflation is going in Germany and the US, maybe getting paid in potatoes isn’t such a terrible idea! ;)
 
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iioklwwelo

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sheogorath said:
Where I am from, this was usually called "theft". It is one thing to confiscate equipment for your own war effort in case of emergency, as it happened multiple times through history, a different thing is to grab equipment meant for somebody and send it to somebody else.

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I wonder when Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Koreans will do the same to American equipment or resources.


E.g. loot some of their ships from any of the waterways in the world, distribute the aid to Afghans, Somalis, Syrians, Venezuelans, Koreans or Cubans.

Seize their assets in portfolio or financial investments and distribute them to North Koreans. All in the interest of global peace, security and human rights of the victims nations of Western banditry.
 
Black Shark

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sheogorath said:
Deeper pool of what, cannon fodder that barely knows how to hold a rifle?

Ukraine is on its 4th mobilization effort, unless you intend to send every non-bed ridden civilian west of Dniper to fight, there isn't much to do


For every piece of western equipment Ukraine get, which shoddy training, the russians can probably field 2 or 3 times enough equipment to neutralize it.

Here there is more evidence of the "bleak future" of Russian ambitions in Ukraine

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532764811846684672
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Ohh, there was a day where negotiations were on the table, but Elenskij had a slippery tongue up his (r)ear to sabotage any deals to end the conflict and even mocked the russian side by demanding capitulation.

Now, the only option that is on the table is the entire consumption of Russia's historical lands and later the reunification with Belarus to tsarist Russias times in borders. What will happen is, that the russian historical lands west of Rostov will be split up in DNR/LNR, Novorossija and lands West of Kiev under constant years long re-integration process by russian forces before they can be allowed to live next to normal people, after that there will be a referendum held in Belarus for reunification with Russia. Like it or not, but it is historically what we will experience and look back as one of the most turning events in european history.
 
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