The War in the Ukraine

SolarWarden

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These guys never learn. Ukraine already lost several hydropower plants and thermal power plants. So far the Russians have avoided striking the nuclear power plants in Ukraine. But they shouldn't count on the Russians continuing this practice. The Russians could strike the electric switching yards outside the nuclear power plants, or even the turbine building in the nuclear power plants. Their weapons are accurate enough to hit the turbine building while avoiding the reactor itself.
I seem to remember winter of 22/23 Russia striking powerplants and folks in here boasting how Ukraine is blacked out on satellite pics before Ukraine started targeting Russian energy sector. What's the yankee saying... what's good for the goose is good for the gander?

These are consequences when you invade.
 

tokenanalyst

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I seem to remember winter of 22/23 Russia striking powerplants and folks in here boasting how Ukraine is blacked out on satellite pics before Ukraine started targeting Russian energy sector. What's the yankee saying... what's good for the goose is good for the gander?

These are consequences when you invade.
The problem is that the gander is getting hit many times more than the goose and there is not signs of slowing down. I know, I know, the Russians are the "baddies" and the Ukrainians are the "underdogs" so lets hype up every single "victory" of the Ukrainians doesn't matter how irrelevant it is. But the issue still is that the Russians are not running out of missiles like was previously thought in US and EU, in fact the production of missiles and drones is just increasing steadily.

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I still think that unless the US or/and the Europeans manage a way to mass produce cheap easy to access and maintain weaponry close the Ukrainian borders the doomsday for Ukraine is just getting closer, expending hundred billions in a few complex Western weaponry is not going to do much for Ukraine.
 

gelgoog

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I seem to remember winter of 22/23 Russia striking powerplants and folks in here boasting how Ukraine is blacked out on satellite pics before Ukraine started targeting Russian energy sector. What's the yankee saying... what's good for the goose is good for the gander?
The thing is the Russians back then only struck the transformers in Ukraine. Which are much easier to replace. But now they are destroying turbine halls in the actual powerplants. Which will take years to replace.

These are consequences when you invade.
I am not saying that Ukraine does not have the right to fight back. It is just that they should be aware of the consequences of doing this.
I posted the Melian Dialogue here in the forum before the conflict started for a reason.

Thus far the impact of Ukrainian strikes on Russian refineries also seem to be kind of limited. If you look at the Russian production of gasoline and diesel it basically hasn't budged. While I am sure there are costs associated with repairing the refineries and beefing up their defense the strikes don't seem to have had a strategic impact on the Russian economy thus far.


the issue still is that the Russians are not running out of missiles like was previously thought in US and EU, in fact the production of missiles and drones is just increasing steadily.
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Russia vastly increased production of the Iskander and Kinzhal. They also recently started to introduce the MiG-31I into service which will replace the MiG-31K as a Kinzhal carrier. The MiG-31I is supposed to have automated the process of aligning the aircraft and releasing the missile. It is also capable of aerial refueling. Which means the Russians can keep those aircraft loitering for longer periods before releasing the Kinzhal. This will further complicate Ukraine's defense against the Kinzhal. Their tactics of running the air sirens every time a Kinzhal launcher is airborne will likely cease to be effective.
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SolarWarden

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The problem is that the gander is getting hit many times more than the goose and there is not signs of slowing down. I know, I know, the Russians are the "baddies" and the Ukrainians are the "underdogs" so lets hype up every single "victory" of the Ukrainians doesn't matter how irrelevant it is.

When the land and air superpower of the region loses 50% of its captured territory then takes months to almost a year to move 10-12km at the cost of divisions worth of men and armored vehicles all while Ukraine it's "running out of men and ammo," and having no air force, I wouldn't call it a victory but it's close.
But the issue still is that the Russians are not running out of missiles like was previously thought in US and EU, in fact the production of missiles and drones is just increasing steadily.

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I still think that unless the US or/and the Europeans manage a way to mass produce cheap easy to access and maintain weaponry close the Ukrainian borders the doomsday for Ukraine is just getting closer, expending hundred billions in a few complex Western weaponry is not going to do much for Ukraine.

Well then I guess Odesa and Kyiv will soon fall, right?

Isn't weird as Ukraine is supposedly running out of soldiers and ammo and the mighty Russian army is producing more weapons thn before the war, with more soldiers recruited, that they don't open up other fronts to take advantaged of Ukraine's severe lacking of men, equipment and ammo? All Russian heavy mechanize armored assaults are concentrated in Avdiivka and Bakhmut area allowing Ukraine not to spread their forces and ammo thinner than it is already claimed. If reports are true about Ukraine's soldier and ammo situation then why don't the Russians take advantage by launching heavy mechanize assaults north of Kharkiv, Kherson and Kyiv area like they do in Adviivka and Bakhmut? Russians have all the military advantaged from what majority of folks in here say. Russians have a top 3 air force while Ukraine has no air force another advantage is Russia's war is literally across their border. But instead they launch these heavy assaults at these two areas(and Vuhledar but Russian assaults have diminished after getting hammered) taking severe losses of men and armored vehicles.

I just find it strange.
 

gelgoog

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Isn't weird as Ukraine is supposedly running out of soldiers and ammo and the mighty Russian army is producing more weapons thn before the war, with more soldiers recruited, that they don't open up other fronts to take advantaged of Ukraine's severe lacking of men, equipment and ammo?
There is talk about a new Russian formation around the Belgorod region that is supposed to push into the Sumy and Kharkiv regions.

All Russian heavy mechanize armored assaults are concentrated in Avdiivka and Bakhmut area allowing Ukraine not to spread their forces and ammo thinner than it is already claimed.
The year prior the Russians could only attack at one city, Bakhmut, and this was done with heavy use of Wagner mercenaries as infantry. So yes I would say their situation has improved quite a lot.

If reports are true about Ukraine's soldier and ammo situation then why don't the Russians take advantage by launching heavy mechanize assaults north of Kharkiv, Kherson and Kyiv area like they do in Adviivka and Bakhmut?
A major armored push in the middle of mud season? There is no way in hell that would work.

Russians have all the military advantaged from what majority of folks in here say. Russians have a top 3 air force while Ukraine has no air force another advantage is Russia's war is literally across their border. But instead they launch these heavy assaults at these two areas(and Vuhledar but Russian assaults have diminished after getting hammered) taking severe losses of men and armored vehicles.

I just find it strange.
It is just that Russia's objectives are different than what NATO claims.

Conquering Ukraine was not an initial objective. It is fairly clear the initial objective was the land bridge with Crimea. It is pretty clear the current focus is on clawing Donbass back from Ukraine. If Ukraine insists on not accepting Russia's ultimatum of neutralization and denazification then you will also see Russia continue to push into other areas of Ukraine.
 

tokenanalyst

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When the land and air superpower of the region loses 50% of its captured territory then takes months to almost a year to move 10-12km at the cost of divisions worth of men and armored vehicles all while Ukraine it's "running out of men and ammo," and having no air force, I wouldn't call it a victory but it's close.
Anyone with two functional brain cells would know that the Russian plan was to twist Ukraine arms in negotiations not to permanently take territory, now years later the territory they will conquer will become permanently part of Russia and not even China can convince the Russians to give that territory back to Ukraine and you know how sensitive is China about territory. Sadly for that country the territorial negotiation time has passed.
Isn't weird as Ukraine is supposedly running out of soldiers and ammo and the mighty Russian army is producing more weapons thn before the war, with more soldiers recruited, that they don't open up other fronts to take advantaged of Ukraine's severe lacking of men, equipment and ammo? All Russian heavy mechanize armored assaults are concentrated in Avdiivka and Bakhmut area allowing Ukraine not to spread their forces and ammo thinner than it is already claimed. If reports are true about Ukraine's soldier and ammo situation then why don't the Russians take advantage by launching heavy mechanize assaults north of Kharkiv, Kherson and Kyiv area like they do in Adviivka and Bakhmut? Russians have all the military advantaged from what majority of folks in here say. Russians have a top 3 air force while Ukraine has no air force another advantage is Russia's war is literally across their border. But instead they launch these heavy assaults at these two areas(and Vuhledar but Russian assaults have diminished after getting hammered) taking severe losses of men and armored vehicles.
Well given how much desperate the are to get military aid, despite the hundred of billions given by US and other countries, how they dragging people to war and how the lowered de conscription age despite the horrible demography bottleneck that the country have that would probably lead to many young women leaving the country or marrying men way older than them is pretty safe to say that they have loss more they are willing to say.

I said it when the war become a stalemate. Ukraine is not in a position to go to the offensive, they should had fortify their defensive lines while preserving their military resources and soldiers lives. What the Ukrainian goverment did? They launched a series of offensives that had depleted the Ukrainian military, probably costed the lives of hundred of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers, that have put Ukraine in a more vulnerable position and to add salt to the injury they lost instead of winning territory. That is a fact, that is not a "pro Russian" or "pro Ukraine" statement, that is a fact. It was even more, it was a prophecy.

I don't who planned this offensive, I read somewhere that Boris Johnson was somehow involved so that may explain a lot, the problem is that Ukraine is not in position to launch any offensive attack at all, that only will deplete their resources and manpower, they could be in position of defending what they still have, they should be focusing in strengthening their defenses, begging for more weapons and training more civilians so in the case the Russians decide to take what it left of that country at least they have a chance of slowing them down.
 

Tam

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And so it looks like Novomikhailovka and Semenovka has fallen to the Russians. Attacks have spread to Ochertino and Novobakhmutka.

Flag of the 155th Marine Brigade at Novomikhailovka.

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Grads striking Krasnogorovka by the 238th.

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Massed Grad attack near Berdychy.

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More Iskander or Tornado-S strikes at Dnipropetrovosk. In separate areas, another MiG-29 is taken out. Another S-300 system is taken. A Ukrainian 3D radar, 79K6 Pelican, taken out with an X-35 missile. At least seven Ukrainian S-300 systems were taken out in 2024 alone.

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FABs hitting Chasiv Yar.

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FABs at Urozhayne.

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Ukrainian BMP-2 attacked by FPV drone by BOBMORF.

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House of Ukrainian drone controllers gets hit by LMUR missile.

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Expended Relikt ERA on a T-72 tank after hit by FPV drone.

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American 203mm shells with Russian artillery? These shells probably came from Iranian stocks and are being used with Pions and Malkas. Or they might have been captured from the Ukrainians who the Americans supplied for their Pions.

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Border region hit by RBK-500.

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Russia resumed production of GTD-1250 engines for the T-80BVM.

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RBK-500 working on Belgorovka.

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Iskander strike at 3rd Azov Brigade deployment base in Kharkhiv region.

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Mortars hit a house occupied by Ukrainian drone operators in the Kharkhiv region.

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SlothmanAllen

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Any consensus on what the new US aid package might do for Ukraine? The Senate has scheduled a vote for Tuesday, but after it passes the senate and Biden signs it into law, I don't know how long it will take the those funds to translate into capability for the Ukrainians?

Does anybody have an idea of what exactly will be given and a timeline for delivery?
 
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