The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker

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So i heard that Russian submarine salvage ship Kommuna was apparently hit on dock at Sevastopol.

Kinda curious tho why target it or the missile actually missed its real target. Kommuna was the oldest ship in entire Russian fleet and practically almost no to limited military value.
 

Tam

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That's a big ammo depot there the Russians took out across the Dniepr. Constant attacks on depots and logistics continue to worsen the AFU's supply situation.

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Abandoned and destroyed M113 in the Donbass.

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Ukrainian D-30 howitzer knocked out by counterbattery.

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Ukrainian base of operations and an ammo depot or hanger with two SPGs in Kherson gets FABed.

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Ukrainian SPG taken out by the 200th Brigade.

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FABs arrive in Urozhayne.

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LMUR hits a home used by Ukrainians as a base of operations in Lvove.

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FABs hit Staromayorsky.

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FABs hit Ukrainian positions in Karlivka. There's some kind of drone targeting going on so this maybe KABs or the FABs are being target adjusted in mid flight.

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Tyulpans of the 238th working on Ukrainian targets in Krasnogorovka.

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FAB-1500 lands on a Ukrainian stronghold in Krasnogorovka.

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FAB-1500 destroys a Ukrainian deployment points in Lvove.

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Ukrainian deployment points hit by rockets in Myrnohrad.

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Russians are breaking through in Ocheretino.

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First recorded case of a Ukrainian that swam across river into Belarus. He was fined 400 Belarusian rubles and the mattress he used was confiscated. But he gets to live.

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Russian rockets hit Ukrainian positions in Serebianka by the 2nd Artillery Brigade.

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Ukrainian positions in Ocheretino and Nonokalinove gets hit by FABs.

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Ukrainian drone operators were tracked down and their position and communication center gets hit by artillery. By the Sever-V special forces unit.

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Trying to put out the fire in the transport and logistics facility in the port of Odessa.

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Drones from the Sparta Battalion are bombing hidden Ukrainian field ammo depots. Should be in the Avdeyevka sector.

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Knocked out T-64BV and Leopard tanks, along with a couple of destroyed Maxxpros.

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Destroyed Leopard tank knocked out by Lancets in Zaporozhye.

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Knocked out railway bridge in Odessa. Keep noting the focus on hitting logistics. The shell hunger on the front isn't because the aid is being cut off. It's because the roads and railways are.

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Fire as a result of missile strike in a railway depot in Dnipropetrovsk.

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Canadian Senator MRAP destroyed by FPV drones from the 14th Spetznaz Brigade.

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This is what happens to the "destroyed" Russian vehicles. They are towed back and sent to the repair yards. Some will get repaired, modernized and sent back to the front, others may not be as lucky and written off as cannibalization donors.

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The Ukrainians also retrieve and try to restore their "destroyed" vehicles, but these depots are constantly subjected to air and missile strikes. Here a repair depot was discovered by a UAV. Later it was said to have been struck.

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Even these depots, which resemble more like garage operations, it's a stark contrast to the massive industrial scale the Russians put into their vehicular repair and refurbishing centers.

Ukrainian hackers got hold of a presentation on planned upgrades to Geran drones that include thermobaric and incendiary warheads and increasing the size of the warhead to 90kg from the current 50kg. It should be noted that SIM cards are added to the drone that aids in their geolocation, determining whether they hit their targets or destroyed along the way. Kubs and Lancets are also using SIM cards for this purpose. Bad news for Russian information security, bad news for Ukraine overall.

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Atomicfrog

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So i heard that Russian submarine salvage ship Kommuna was apparently hit on dock at Sevastopol.

Kinda curious tho why target it or the missile actually missed its real target. Kommuna was the oldest ship in entire Russian fleet and practically almost no to limited military value.
Thats an over 100 years old ship... it was active and helped salvage bodies and material from the Moskva. Very specialized ship and way harder to replace than small warships.
 
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gelgoog

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Ukrainian hackers got hold of a presentation on planned upgrades to Geran drones that include thermobaric and incendiary warheads and increasing the size of the warhead to 90kg from the current 50kg. It should be noted that SIM cards are added to the drone that aids in their geolocation, determining whether they hit their targets or destroyed along the way. Kubs and Lancets are also using SIM cards for this purpose. Bad news for Russian information security, bad news for Ukraine overall.
This slide is kind of interesting.

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One of the example targets is Bryan Mound, TX, USA. Which is a Strategic Petroleum Reserve site.

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Michael90

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When the land and air superpower of the region loses 50% of its captured territory then takes months to almost a year to move 10-12km at the cost of divisions worth of men and armored vehicles all while Ukraine it's "running out of men and ammo," and having no air force, I wouldn't call it a victory but it's close.


Well then I guess Odesa and Kyiv will soon fall, right?

Isn't weird as Ukraine is supposedly running out of soldiers and ammo and the mighty Russian army is producing more weapons thn before the war, with more soldiers recruited, that they don't open up other fronts to take advantaged of Ukraine's severe lacking of men, equipment and ammo? All Russian heavy mechanize armored assaults are concentrated in Avdiivka and Bakhmut area allowing Ukraine not to spread their forces and ammo thinner than it is already claimed. If reports are true about Ukraine's soldier and ammo situation then why don't the Russians take advantage by launching heavy mechanize assaults north of Kharkiv, Kherson and Kyiv area like they do in Adviivka and Bakhmut? Russians have all the military advantaged from what majority of folks in here say. Russians have a top 3 air force while Ukraine has no air force another advantage is Russia's war is literally across their border. But instead they launch these heavy assaults at these two areas(and Vuhledar but Russian assaults have diminished after getting hammered) taking severe losses of men and armored vehicles.

I just find it strange.
Well, this war has shown that Russia's image of the Soviets era power in most peoples mind is long gone..they are obviously not the same strong military superpower unlike before. Most people(even US military officials and politicians) believed that Russia will defeat Ukraine and make the whole country capitulate in a matter of weeks. I still remember many pro Russian people claiming it will be a matter of weeks or month at most and to be fair, even me I believed Ukraine wouldn't last more than 3/4 weeks irrepective of any aid or not. Lol So this conflict has been an eye opener of sort. It's actually even more of an eye opener because many used to still see Russia as a country that can still stand toe to toe with the US in a conventional war, but this conflict has shown that this is far from being the case. I think only China might have that capacity today, that too in her own neighbourhood mostly.
First warning: no politics about imperialism or just any politics in general if possible. It derailed the thread.
 
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Africablack

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When the land and air superpower of the region loses 50% of its captured territory then takes months to almost a year to move 10-12km at the cost of divisions worth of men and armored vehicles all while Ukraine it's "running out of men and ammo," and having no air force, I wouldn't call it a victory but it's close.


Well then I guess Odesa and Kyiv will soon fall, right?

Isn't weird as Ukraine is supposedly running out of soldiers and ammo and the mighty Russian army is producing more weapons thn before the war, with more soldiers recruited, that they don't open up other fronts to take advantaged of Ukraine's severe lacking of men, equipment and ammo? All Russian heavy mechanize armored assaults are concentrated in Avdiivka and Bakhmut area allowing Ukraine not to spread their forces and ammo thinner than it is already claimed. If reports are true about Ukraine's soldier and ammo situation then why don't the Russians take advantage by launching heavy mechanize assaults north of Kharkiv, Kherson and Kyiv area like they do in Adviivka and Bakhmut? Russians have all the military advantaged from what majority of folks in here say. Russians have a top 3 air force while Ukraine has no air force another advantage is Russia's war is literally across their border. But instead they launch these heavy assaults at these two areas(and Vuhledar but Russian assaults have diminished after getting hammered) taking severe losses of men and armored vehicles.

I just find it strange.
I agree. Russia is not as strong militarily as they were hyped up to be before the war and if I'm honest, they are making a mess out of it and it must be embarrassing for them. Excuses that they are fighting NATO is just that, excuses. The excuse that they haven't fully mobilized is also equally embarrassing, as if they were expected to fight full force against Ukraine. The truth is that both sides are doing worse than their supporters claim they are doing.
 

Serb

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Russia is not militarily strong enough is a very different situation from that Russia purposefully doesn't use its entire capabilities, because it doesn't need them, in order to win in the long run, and they are better withheld for its inner economic and socio-political stability, and in case NATO invades, these are two different things.

Reality is not black and white like in fiction, this is the real world. Only simple-minded individuals measure gains in the territory as only military objectives, in the war of attrition, logistical numbers and formulas are way more important, for example, who has bigger military-industrial production, what are the long-term trends in that area, long-term demographic changes in both quantity and quality, of ordinary citizens and military personnel available, etc.

So if Russia analyzes and sees that they will certainly win on some longer timeframe even if they don't need to wreck their economy and society, right away, they are going to do just that, they are a real country thinking long term. They are looking at the future, Ukraine is done eventually, and they are looking to preserve as many resources for the fight against the West of the 21st century. That's what every smart leader would've also done if they were in Putin's place.

Russia is not like an inefficient Frankenstein of a country like the US where Biden simply could wreck their entire strategic oil reserves, and the long-term economic prospects just to win some elections that are happening every two years. I guess, if Biden was on Putin's pace, he would've gone all out being wasteful and destructive in the process as much as possible, whereas Putin knows that he will always be in power, and thinks about what's best for Russian interests for decades ahead - not for some short term, personal rhetorical points or bragging rights - and Russians seemingly appreciate that approach.

That long-term strategic outlook is exactly why the Russian economy is growing faster than all countries in G7, their oil and budget revenues are on pre-war levels, and their deficits and debt ratios falling even though they are at war (unlike in the peace-time West), whereas 30% of the population support leaders in the West, on average, Putin has an 80-90% rating.

They have way less civil protests, mass riots, political crises, and divisions than the 'peaceful' West, despite Russia being in the war. So who has longer chances for survival and thriving as a civilization then? Russia in a war is more stable than the West and will outlive them with almost certainty if this continues. Look at the industrial differences and inefficiency of it in the West. The West still hasn't started to experience true inner rot that is about to come on every level. Who is going to outlast whom in this 'stalemate'?

So, essentially, Russian citizens don't even feel this war, except for a few terrorist attacks, look at the sad and tragic situation in Ukraine, 20% of territory lost, TFR is decimated, 10 million left, the demographic pyramid is screwed on every level, and no infrastructure, no economy, and foreign donations just to pay pensions and other social expenditures, educational results wrecked, collateralized debt to Western vampires (public assets) risen tremendously, to fund the war, etc. Who exactly did 'fail' between the two of them then?

That is a territory with ZERO possibility of recovering and prospering ever again 100%, outside of some fantastic and science fiction scenarios perhaps, however, their favorite 'heroic' Ukraine is still "winning" in the eyes of stupid Westoids. Who cares about statistics, and hundreds of thousands dead, when we have some Telegram post of some Russian plane being destroyed, that is that low IQ kind of line of their 'thought'.
 
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sheogorath

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. I still remember many pro Russian people claiming it will be a matter of weeks or month at most and to be fair, even me I believed Ukraine wouldn't last more than 3/4 weeks irrepective of any aid or not.

I mean, it actually did when you consider they were negotiating the end of the war in March until BoJo torpedoed the deal. Which included Russia returning to its pre-Feb position which would have kept Ukraine's territorial integrity mostly intact save for Crimea, which has always been a delusion anyway and most importantly, its population

Now Ukraine will at least lose 4 Oblasts, has seen its population decimated along with its industries, which make a recovery near impossible in the short and medium term.
It's actually even more of an eye opener because many used to still see Russia as a country that can still stand toe to toe with the US in a conventional war, but this conflict has shown that this is far from being the case.

Are we talking about the same US that can't make enough 155mm rounds to save their own life, let alone Ukraine and is so strapped when it comes to missile production it would rather beg Iran and Yemen to not be too harsh on Israel?.


This is "Finland won the Winter War" levels of revisionism
 

Michael90

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Are we talking about the same US that can't make enough 155mm rounds to save their own life, let alone Ukraine and is so strapped when it comes to missile production it would rather beg Iran and Yemen to not be too harsh on Israel?.


This is "Finland won the Winter War" levels of revisionism
It's OK. If you believe that Russia is more than a match for the US, then I have nothing else to say, to each his own I guess.
 
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