Russians do have air superiority. LMK if Ukrainians are dropping any JDAMs because Russians sure as hell dropping FABs.
The War in the Ukraine
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If they have the variant with laser guidance, it could help way more than the GPS guided that could be jammed. Still need to come 70km from target or way closer if launch from lower altitude...
Air superiority is hold over an airspace - i.e. ability to operate in it and perform tasks.
Neither side has air superiority over other's area - SAM networks maintain it.
It is unfair to Ukraine(Russian threat is projected much deeper into Ukrainian airspace, Russian higher-level reconnaissance assets actually exist&are numerous, and Russian PGM are now an endless rain) - but it is no Russian air superiority over Ukrainian side.
Both sides launch stand-off attacks at each other - I.e. not even rare penetration missions for manned assets are acceptable. Operating big aircraft over opponent is a no.
Su-25s come within 3-5 miles* of enemy strongpoints on a daily basis, without much losses.
I am not sure if AASM can be launched sideways without proper FCS integration - but if yes - basically can come twice closer still. That allows too reach quite a lot of stuff.
*lobbing S-8 is longer, but there is also aim&turn away.
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Su-25 pilots have a pair in SS, both sides are flying them at tree top level to drop some basket of S-8 rockets, don't how good they can aim these.
Would be interesting to see if some laser guided S-25L are used on the front. These would be pretty good on strongholds.
New package from Greece, it countain 90mm antitank/anti aircraft ammo. It's some M48 Patton ammo or for M1-2-3 flak gun ? Strange caliber, don't know if Ukraine have something to shot that ? we have seen them use old KS-19 100mm, would not be surprising to see some m1 flak gun...
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Ukrainian commanders are forced to bribe the TCC staff to get the choice personnel.
Ukrainian sappers tries to defuse an unexploded FAB-1500 in Selidovo where another attack on a Ukrainian concentration took place. Respect for a dangerous job.
Ukrainian failed rocket launch.
S-300V intercepts an Olha rocket.
Tor-M2 takes out a Ukrainian UAV.
FABs arriving in Krasnogorovka.
Ukrainian communication post with Starlink antenna gets targeted by artillery from the Sever-V unit.
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In Gulyaypol, a 2S7 Pion of the 165th Brigade hits a Ukrainian temporary deployment point.
Russian tanks fired at a Ukrainian hanger across the border.
Uragans used on Ukrainian positions in the Artemovosk direction.
Across the border, identified Ukrainian bases and vehicles are subjected to Krasnopol strikes.
Footages from the Ukrainian incursion into Belgorod region are unpostable due to high body count. One footage has a Lancet diving into a crowded embankment of GSD soldiers.
Ukrainian National Security forces were gathered at this site in Odessa when a missile hit, possibly Iskander, killing scores and the battalion commander. Officially, at least 20 were killed and over 60 are wounded. Search in the rubble continues.
Ukrainian commanders are forced to bribe the TCC staff to get the choice personnel.
Ukrainian sappers tries to defuse an unexploded FAB-1500 in Selidovo where another attack on a Ukrainian concentration took place. Respect for a dangerous job.
Ukrainian failed rocket launch.
S-300V intercepts an Olha rocket.
Tor-M2 takes out a Ukrainian UAV.
FABs arriving in Krasnogorovka.
Ukrainian communication post with Starlink antenna gets targeted by artillery from the Sever-V unit.
Ukrainian recruiters kidnap a man right off his yard.
In Gulyaypol, a 2S7 Pion of the 165th Brigade hits a Ukrainian temporary deployment point.
Russian tanks fired at a Ukrainian hanger across the border.
Uragans used on Ukrainian positions in the Artemovosk direction.
Across the border, identified Ukrainian bases and vehicles are subjected to Krasnopol strikes.
Footages from the Ukrainian incursion into Belgorod region are unpostable due to high body count. One footage has a Lancet diving into a crowded embankment of GSD soldiers.
You are contradicting yourself here.
First you say that air superiority is the degree of dominance that allows an air force to perform tasks but then you say that comparing Russia's air capability with Ukraine is unfair because they can see further and attack further than Ukraine. It makes no sense.
If the Russians can observe and attack further away and Ukraine only has the option of air denial, Russia already has air superiority, moreover, it makes no sense to attribute that one does not have a certain degree of dominance over the other, here you is asserting an air parity that simply does not exist in Ukraine.
The definition of the term is very clear, Air superiority is the degree of control that allows an air force to perform tasks without prohibitive interference at some time or place, it does not refer to military assets, but by this definition, the opponent will be the one who tries to deny the other's air superiority, so to speak to say, it is in the position of aerial denial in the face of the enemy's air superiority, aerial parity simply does not exist in Ukraine, the VKS makes dozens of sorties without hindrance and still manages to shoot down Ukrainian fighters that attack well behind the lines(see the case recent report of MiG-29 shot down by Su-35S in Pokrovsk, 50 km from the contact line), not to mention that the VKS drops bombs with impunity, launching inside occupied Ukrainian territory, with Ukraine unable to offer interference(unless you believe the claim of 15 fighters shot down in Feb/2024).
The AASM has a rocket booster. I can't find anything specific about the performance, bu I've found claims of 70 km, a Libyan tank hit at 55 km and some slides showing an AASM at very low level being able to hit a target 15 km away.
The GNSS guided version of the AASM includes an INS unit, so it can continue despite loss of GPS signal. Another variant uses some sort of IR guidance that can match target details provided before launch.
All in all a very potent weapon, even jury-rigged on a MiG-29, but France is only delivering 50 a month and the Ukrainian aircraft will still have the run the gauntlet of R-37Ms and R-77s to get within launching distance.
Damage to Belgorod by an RM-70 Vampire MLRS, fired at civilian areas...
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Lancet takes out FH-70 howitzer.
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FABs landing in Ukrainian positions in Urozhayne.
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Lancet takes out this Ukrainian IFV near the border of the Belgorod region.
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Close arrival of a FAB with UMPK from the Ukrainian perspective.
Unexploded RBK-500 cluster bomb with UMPK discovered by Ukrainians.
FABs with UMPK hit AFU warehouses in Razdolvka north of Soledar.
Lancet hits hidden Ukrainian equipment in Yampil.
Mi-28MN shoots a Ukrainian armored vehicle with a Vikhr.
Didn't post this one right the last time. Ukrainian sapper trying to defuse an unexploded FAB-1500. Insane nerves of steel.
Ukrainian SPG gets taken out by a Lancet in the Artemovosk area.
Ukrainian tank engaged Russian troops and got hit in the face with an ATGM. Two of the crew managed to escape alive. The tank was finished off with an FPV drone. This engagement appeared to be in Novomikhailovka.
This went bad for the Russians as a 2S4 Tulip self propelled mortar gets hit by a Ukrainian FPV drone. The crew of the Tulip managed to get away.
BMPT Terminator engages Ukrainian positions with suppression fire in the Avdeyevka sector. Nowadays it seems to me that an IFV is more important than a tank, that it's more like armored vehicles vs. trenches and fortifications these days.
Same RM-70 MLRS gets destroyed, probably by Krasnopol with an Orlan lasing.
Russians have advanced between Berdichi and Orlovka towards Semenovka.
Lancet takes out FH-70 howitzer.
Drone dumps a bomb on an empty Ukrainian boat at the Dniepr. This boat isn't coming home.
FABs landing in Ukrainian positions in Urozhayne.
This looks like a Grad strike.
Aftermath of a massive strike on a Ukrainian temporary base in Zolocheva near the border.
Lancet takes out this Ukrainian IFV near the border of the Belgorod region.
The missile hit on Odessa turned out to be a major command center for forces in the area. Russians allege more than 50 Ukrainians and foreigners were killed and more than 100 were wounded.
Two abandoned Ukrainian T-72s previously shown from drone footage now captured on the ground. One is a T-72AV and the other a former Russian T-72B3M. The T-72B3M will likely return to the service of its original masters while the T-72AV will provide an intelligence bonanza.
Close arrival of a FAB with UMPK from the Ukrainian perspective.
Unexploded RBK-500 cluster bomb with UMPK discovered by Ukrainians.
FABs with UMPK hit AFU warehouses in Razdolvka north of Soledar.
Lancet hits hidden Ukrainian equipment in Yampil.
Mi-28MN shoots a Ukrainian armored vehicle with a Vikhr.
Didn't post this one right the last time. Ukrainian sapper trying to defuse an unexploded FAB-1500. Insane nerves of steel.
Ukrainian SPG gets taken out by a Lancet in the Artemovosk area.
Ukrainian tank engaged Russian troops and got hit in the face with an ATGM. Two of the crew managed to escape alive. The tank was finished off with an FPV drone. This engagement appeared to be in Novomikhailovka.
This went bad for the Russians as a 2S4 Tulip self propelled mortar gets hit by a Ukrainian FPV drone. The crew of the Tulip managed to get away.
BMPT Terminator engages Ukrainian positions with suppression fire in the Avdeyevka sector. Nowadays it seems to me that an IFV is more important than a tank, that it's more like armored vehicles vs. trenches and fortifications these days.
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