The War in the Ukraine

taxiya

Brigadier
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Good initiative but doomed.

Diplomatic solution is impossible where there is no trust at all from one side to the others.
Nobody expect diplomatic solution to come out this early, but the act has to be done simutanously as the war goes on. Main combats of Korean war were fought within the first year, yet it took 3 years for the diplomatic effort to reach a cease-fire. Diplomacy is a process not just a final solution.
 

Temstar

Brigadier
Registered Member
This is latest kill claim by Ukrainian side:

There are a lot of Su-34 shot down claims recently, has anyone kept a list?
It coincide with increased UMPK'd FAB usage so its possible, but there's not a lot of solid evidence to back up all the claims, and flighterbomber is claiming those to be lies. What other circumspect way is available to see how true those claims are?
 

Sinnavuuty

Senior Member
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This is latest kill claim by Ukrainian side:

There are a lot of Su-34 shot down claims recently, has anyone kept a list?
It coincide with increased UMPK'd FAB usage so its possible, but there's not a lot of solid evidence to back up all the claims, and flighterbomber is claiming those to be lies. What other circumspect way is available to see how true those claims are?
Together with today's shot down, this totals 12 aircraft downed in 11 days, according to the Ukrainian claim.

02/17 - 2 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/18 - 1 Su-34
02/19 - 1 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/21 - 1 Su-34
02/23 - 1 A-50
02/27 - 2 Su-34
02/29 - 2 Su-34
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Santamaria

Junior Member
Registered Member
There are a lot of Su-34 shot down claims recently, has anyone kept a list?
It coincide with increased UMPK'd FAB usage so its possible, but there's not a lot of solid evidence to back up all the claims, and flighterbomber is claiming those to be lies. What other circumspect way is available to see how true those claims are?
I think it is obviously a lie. They claim to have shooted more than 10 aircraft but so far I only saw video evidence of 1.

Ukraine claims are most of the times lies, but those lies allows different wester publications to write articles about Russia suffering staggerin loses and desperate.

Therefore western public don’t feel so bad for the obvious defeat and can be more open to new arms deliveries
 

Sinnavuuty

Senior Member
Registered Member
Together with today's shot down, this totals 12 aircraft downed in 11 days, according to the Ukrainian claim.

02/17 - 2 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/18 - 1 Su-34
02/19 - 1 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/21 - 1 Su-34
02/23 - 1 A-50
02/27 - 2 Su-34
02/29 - 2 Su-34
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Together with today's shot down, this totals 13 aircraft downed in 11 days, according to the Ukrainian claim.
02/17 - 2 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/18 - 1 Su-34
02/19 - 1 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/21 - 1 Su-34
02/23 - 1 A-50
02/27 - 2 Su-34
02/29 - 3 Su-34
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SolarWarden

Junior Member
Registered Member
I think it is obviously a lie. They claim to have shooted more than 10 aircraft but so far I only saw video evidence of 1.

Ukraine claims are most of the times lies, but those lies allows different wester publications to write articles about Russia suffering staggerin loses and desperate.

Therefore western public don’t feel so bad for the obvious defeat and can be more open to new arms deliveries
Everything you just posted could easily be said about your side. Think about that.
 
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