plawolf
Lieutenant General
There is no point in wasting people to recover it. It is not a superweapon. ISIS captured a half dozen of them from Iraq.
Don’t think they want them for the tech, just more trophies for their collection.
There is no point in wasting people to recover it. It is not a superweapon. ISIS captured a half dozen of them from Iraq.
Don’t think they want them for the tech, just more trophies for their collection.
I meant for either sideDon’t think they want them for the tech, just more trophies for their collection.
Nobody expect diplomatic solution to come out this early, but the act has to be done simutanously as the war goes on. Main combats of Korean war were fought within the first year, yet it took 3 years for the diplomatic effort to reach a cease-fire. Diplomacy is a process not just a final solution.Good initiative but doomed.
Diplomatic solution is impossible where there is no trust at all from one side to the others.
Together with today's shot down, this totals 12 aircraft downed in 11 days, according to the Ukrainian claim.This is latest kill claim by Ukrainian side:
There are a lot of Su-34 shot down claims recently, has anyone kept a list?
It coincide with increased UMPK'd FAB usage so its possible, but there's not a lot of solid evidence to back up all the claims, and flighterbomber is claiming those to be lies. What other circumspect way is available to see how true those claims are?
I think it is obviously a lie. They claim to have shooted more than 10 aircraft but so far I only saw video evidence of 1.There are a lot of Su-34 shot down claims recently, has anyone kept a list?
It coincide with increased UMPK'd FAB usage so its possible, but there's not a lot of solid evidence to back up all the claims, and flighterbomber is claiming those to be lies. What other circumspect way is available to see how true those claims are?
Correction:Together with today's shot down, this totals 12 aircraft downed in 11 days, according to the Ukrainian claim.
02/17 - 2 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/18 - 1 Su-34
02/19 - 1 Su-34 and 1 Su-35
02/21 - 1 Su-34
02/23 - 1 A-50
02/27 - 2 Su-34
02/29 - 2 Su-34
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Everything you just posted could easily be said about your side. Think about that.I think it is obviously a lie. They claim to have shooted more than 10 aircraft but so far I only saw video evidence of 1.
Ukraine claims are most of the times lies, but those lies allows different wester publications to write articles about Russia suffering staggerin loses and desperate.
Therefore western public don’t feel so bad for the obvious defeat and can be more open to new arms deliveries