The War in the Ukraine

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gelgoog

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Iraq's air defense was mostly composed of export versions of Soviet air defenses that were like two decades old when the Gulf War started. The air defense radar network was built by French contractors which provided the layout of the network and its weaknesses to the US.
Ukraine had the top of the line Soviet air defense systems in waste amounts. And these were somewhat upgraded in terms of more modern radars after the Soviet collapse. And right now they also get whichever air defense systems the West can produce. About the only thing not supplied to Ukraine was THAAD. Units are connected with Starlink and they have an application to provide a unified sight picture to operators in the IADS.
 
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A Russian plane, presumably an A-50U, official media reported about an unknown aircraft, crashed near the Trudovaya Armenia farm in the Kanevsky district of the Krasnodar Territory. The wreckage of the plane was found by local residents. There is no official information about the type of aircraft yet. Ukrainian media reported that the A-50 plane was shot down by Ukrainian air defense, but this is unlikely, since the nearest point of the front line is from 210 to 265 kilometers, and the firing range of the Patriot air defense system is 160 kilometers. It is worth noting that local residents filmed the flight of the plane; the video shows the plane shooting at a heat trap; this is done when the plane detected a missile launch or radar radiation. Also, one of the local residents recorded the launch of an unknown missile during the flight of the plane. It is also possible that a sabotage group equipped with MANPADS penetrated into the Krasnodar region.

 
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Footage of the use in Ukraine, by Russian Su-35 aircraft, presumably of Kh-35U missiles. Despite the fact that the Kh-35 missile is considered anti-ship, a modified version of the Kh-35U, equipped with a Gran-K seeker, can also hit ground-based radars at a range of up to 260 kilometers. The missile has a warhead of 145 kilograms and flies at an altitude of 20–50 meters, skirting the earth's surface. The video shows a Kh-35U missile hitting the Ukrainian P-18 all-round radar station, which was put into service in 1970 and designed to detect air targets.

 
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gelgoog

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Soldier30 said:
"Ukrainian media reported that the A-50 plane was shot down by Ukrainian air defense, but this is unlikely, since the nearest point of the front line is from 210 to 265 kilometers, and the firing range of the Patriot air defense system is 160 kilometers."
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The S-200 SAM has up to 300 km range. In theory Ukraine might have got that operational. They had it in Soviet times and have been using it against ground targets.
 
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I had been observing and saying this for quite some time, while the US and most Western Military industrial complex are good producing hard to make high tech very profitable weapons who serve the purpose of the thinking by Pentagon analysts and most Western military analysts of winning short decisive wars, their military industrial complex fall short in this type of war of attrition. They cannot simple out produce a country like Russia despite that country being cut off from access to "high tech production equipment" or don't have the suppose superior technology.


For example, The Chinese military and close SOEs manage their own fabs and semi design, that is where some SMEE dry ArF machines have probably been going in the last decade, I think in that way they are not reliant on semi companies who main goal is profit like SMIC or Unisoc to produce electronics components for their equipment, despite the technological superiority of SMIC and Unisoc over most SOEs related fabs. This is unthinkable in the West, who are dependant on the superior technological production of for profit companies like TI and GF for military chip production, the problem arrives in a situation like this when you need to quickly ramp up production and the company tells you that they don't make those chips anymore because is not profitable for them anymore or they close/sell their older manufacturing facilities because their need to increase their profits to look like a good option to retail investors.


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I enjoy watching Arestovych go scorched earth on Ukraine now. I know hes full of crap but since he's butthurt at Zelensky you can tell he's just getting everything off his chest.

There's one thing I really liked in his recent vid. He said to those people who film themselves calling Russians orcs, dogs, deserving death etc, you better hope Ukraine wins because the Russians will not forget this. They will get even with you. All those guys from the second chechen war who did or said humiliating things on Russians were hunted down like dogs around the world. The west didn't save them.

The guy who betrayed his helicopter unit in Ukraine who thought he was being a hero? He got murdered in Spain.
 
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SolarWarden

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gelgoog said:
Perhaps you should compare the land area of Kuwait vs the area of operations in Ukraine. And you should compare the size of forces the US coalition was employing vs what the Russians are employing.

Kuwait has a land area of 17,818 sq km. That is smaller than Crimea at 27,000 sq km.
That US coalition invaded with 950,000 soldiers and had overmatch with Iraq at 600,000 inside Kuwait.
Russia even today has only 300,000 soldiers inside Ukraine versus like 800,000 Ukrainian soldiers.
When they invaded the Russians had like half that amount.
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Ignorance is bliss. You know that is not how it went down but it's not surprising coming from you. SW Iraq was invaded called the "Left Hook" to take on Republican Guard forces north of Kuwait. Also 950k soldiers didn't take part in combat US sent 700k with 500k taking part in combat the 950k is the whole number that was deployed by the allies to the region.
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Ukraine is 603,628 sq km. Heck Donbass alone is 53,201 sq km.

Iraq didn't have the G7 basically funding their whole economy to ensure more people could fight. In fact they had basically no one supporting them.

Russia has already taken an area multiple times that of Kuwait.
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Lol. Russia couldn't hold Ukrainian land it took the first two weeks of the war from pretty much a peasant Ukrainian army with the only "modern" western equipment being Javelins and stingers. VKS couldn't get air superiority over Ukraine which Ukraine had no air force and its IADS consisted of soviet era s300 and buks.
 
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Santamaria

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SolarWarden said:
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Lol. Russia couldn't hold Ukrainian land it took the first two weeks of the war from pretty much a peasant Ukrainian army with the only "modern" western equipment being Javelins and stingers. VKS couldn't get air superiority over Ukraine which Ukraine had no air force and its IADS consisted of soviet era s300 and buks.
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The Ukrainian army that was trained and equipped by NATO since 2015 (and that before it inherit a decent military training from Soviet Union tradition) now is a peasant army??? Really??

But the iraquí army trained by nobody and equipped by nobody was a real challenge.

Thank your this post.
You just showed yourself as a troll, and someone who I will not loose my precious time reading never.
 
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SolarWarden

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Santamaria said:
The Ukrainian army that was trained and equipped by NATO since 2015 (and that before it inherit a decent military training from Soviet Union tradition) now is a peasant army??? Really??
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Please list the equipment the west gave to Ukraine that they used to force the Russians to retreat.
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But the iraquí army trained by nobody and equipped by nobody was a real challenge.
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Iraqi army was battle harden the only reason why the land forces ran over them was because the US launched a one moth air campaign demoralizing Iraqi ground forces which Russia should have done.
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Thank your this post.
You just showed yourself as a troll, and someone who I will not loose my precious time reading never.
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Just remember US had to go thousands of miles to fight unlike Russia where their war is literally across their border giving this supposed superpower unparallel advantaged in logistics, air superiority, land superiority, ISR superiority, numbers superiority and naval superiority.

Even I bought the lie that Russia was a conventional military superpower and would run over Ukraine in less than a month. This war has exposed Russian military for the frauds they are and forget the US Russia wouldn't last a month in a full scale conventional war against Poland. Russians better hope Ukraine doesn't get any sort of advantaged when it comes to contesting their airspace when they get their F-16's. They contest their frontline airspace currently with no air force it could only get much better with F-16's carrying Harm receiving pod, EW-pod and of course Harm missiles.
 
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