All these radars and no AA?
The War in the Ukraine
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Classic dilemma of whether to keep your people (存人失地) or to keep your land (存地失人), rational military strategy would favor keeping your people as trying to hold on untenable position will end up losing both as you've suggested. But Ukrainian decision making seems to be very politically influenced.... same thing could be said to Russian decision making, resulting in a rather peculiar war
Edit: To be fair though, once Ukrainian give up east of Dnieper it would be very difficult to get back as Russians can also fortify along the river
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This is just the first set of $700m dispensed among the $40B package, with US planning to deliver more HIMARS as the war evolves over time. Apparently the training program is only 3 weeks to operate and maintain.
There are 11 aid packages thus far, and one of the prior ones did include Patriot anti-air defense systems.
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But why? Missile are consumed. If anything you would supply missiles on the regular and radars periodically...
MOSCOW, June 1. /TASS/. Ukrainian militants plan to fire long-range rockets, expected to be shipped by the US shortly, at Russian territory to provoke return fire, Russian National Defense Control Center head Mikhail Mizintsev said Wednesday.
"According to verified information, obtained from intercepted radio communications, the Kiev regime plans another inhuman provocation in the city of Shostka, Sumy Region," he said.
"In the near future, a shipment of US-made long-range rocket systems is expected at Shostka, which Ukrainian forces plan, under orders from the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), to fire at the territory of the Russian Federation directly from the city’s residential areas. By doing so, Ukrainian neo-Nazis plan to provoke return fire from Russian Armed Forces in order to accuse them of indiscriminate fire at civilian infrastructure and elimination of civilian population," Mizintsev said.
He underscored that Kiev authorities plan to involve Ukrainian and foreign reporters to prepare fake photo and video materials about alleged murder of civilians by Russian forces, which will then be widely disseminated by the Western media.
I hope the Russians play fair and give them time to get trained because it sounds like they know where the artillery would be delivered to let them go launch missiles at it.
Or the classical Mongol/Chinese "bait them out and surround them" strategy. According to this video:
that area had minimal Russian resistance which makes me suspect that this encirclement was planned.
Sometimes you wish someone, somewhere, somehow would have used drones maybe, or some other methods, to eliminate those defence companies HQs, production bases, CEO and other C-level executives and remained anonymous afterwards.
A lot of senseless murder, mayhem, suffering around the world could be avoided that way. But I digress.
Both Russians and Ukrainians have put up a valiant performance. Both nationalities have been fighting against great odds. Russians are essentially fighting NATO in a proxy war while sanctioned, embargoed, having their assets seized, vilified and demonised.
Ukrainians, having given up their nuclear deterrence for worthless paper promises, have to fight against the bulk of the successor state of the USSR. No strategic level systems are exported to Ukrainians ensuring that Ukraine remains a useful proxy for NATO to wear out Russians.
Both countries have performed very well under the constraints that they have been put under.
It would be interesting to see where Putin would like to stop. Cut Ukraine off from the sea? Occupy Russian speaking Eastern regions? Occupy all of Ukraine or expand the theater of operations to neighbours like Poland or some other country?
Zelensky claimed, six days ago, the Russians had launched 2,400 missiles in Ukraine as of that day. That was assisted by over 3,000 aircraft sorties. It seems the impact of ballistic or cruise missiles may be overrated as is the impact of aerial bombardment on a mid sized country such as Ukraine.
the real Nazis have to be rolling in their graves right now.
When Kharkiv counterattack was happening I too was thinking Ukranians are advancing too easily and there are too few photos of destroyed Russian vehicles of casualties for this not to be a deliberate Russian plan to trade space for time. I don't think Dvornikov planned this encirclement but it kind of just happened as they started pushing back towards Kharkiv and he just took the opportunity. Dvornikov doesn't seem like someone who plans huge elaborate ploys way in advance but rather someone who's very good at adopting to the battlefield conditions from day to day. After the river crossing disaster at Bilohorivka he rapidly shifted focus to Izyum and as Ukrainians adjusted to respond to this bang Popasna break out.
