The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Twenty million is an reasonable number for the people left in Ukraine. So it's like 8 times the difference. The situation will get only worse for them.

Trying to bleed the Russians dry to stop them is just a none starter of an idea given the vast difference in combat exchange rates. The exact rates are hard to determine and highly politicised, but it’s pretty obvious that the Russians are enjoying a significant K-D advantage.

But even that is missing the main point that Ukraine has no viable war industry left and is entirely dependent on externally provided arms and munitions to maintain its resistance. Should foreign arms and munitions dry up, their war effort ends. Either they are smart enough to just surrender at that point, or they keep at it without heavy weapons and munitions and see their casualties skyrocket and surrenders when they collapse their own population.

The Russians know this, which is why they aren’t that bothered about launching big offensives to achieve a knockout blow. Why should they waste the lives and resources that will cost them when instead they can just maintaining constant pressure to force Ukraine to expend munitions and weapons at a rate far above replacement levels for NATO and just wait for NATO to pull the plug on Ukraine’s life support.

That is not to say the Russians won’t launch a major offensive if the opportunity arises. They are savvy and experienced enough to not let a good opportunity go wasted. They just aren’t under any political pressure to achieve arbitrary goals by arbitrary timelines so can afford to take their time and not be forced to needlessly waste lives and resources trying to force an opening.

The main exception is where Ukrainian units are within artillery range of population centres of newly captured territory. The Ukrainians shell those population centres to force the Russians to attack with some urgency to try to end the terror killings of civilians, which is causing the Russians to take heavier losses. But once those positions are taken, the Russians won’t have any pressure and can really dictate the pace of combat to minimise their losses while still maintaining unacceptable pressure on NATO weapons supply chains.
 

kolo2255

Just Hatched
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Twenty million is an reasonable number for the people left in Ukraine. So it's like 8 times the difference. The situation will get only worse for them.

I would not agree with that claim, emigration from Ukraine was reduced and last year figure of people who stayed in there was nearly 30 milion so, it is safe to assume that at government controled area lives more than 25 milions people. Nevertheless the demographic structure of current Ukraine is much worese than Russian and current Russian population is at least 5 times greater than Ukrainian.

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crnlf

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I would not agree with that claim, emigration from Ukraine was reduced and last year figure of people who stayed in there was nearly 30 milion so, it is safe to assume that at government controled area lives more than 25 milions people. Nevertheless the demographic structure of current Ukraine is much worese than Russian and current Russian population is at least 5 times greater than Ukrainian.

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You could be right, I just did a quick calculation. I live in Romania, near the border with Ukraine, people are loosing will to fight.
 

supersnoop

Major
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The main exception is where Ukrainian units are within artillery range of population centres of newly captured territory. The Ukrainians shell those population centres to force the Russians to attack with some urgency to try to end the terror killings of civilians, which is causing the Russians to take heavier losses.

Do you really think this is happening? The last big city to change hands was Kherson and that was from Russian control to Ukrainian control. Most of these "cities" on these maps are small towns or villages, and from the lack of massive civilian casualties, mostly depopulated. There is no "rush to end terror killings". Donetsk suffers some shelling, but it is certainly not "newly captured" and was always controlled by DPR/Russia.

German Iris-T SAM system claimed to have been destroyed in the Kharkov area.

I know it is not your commentary, but Iris-T is definitely short to medium range, not long.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
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The current versions of Iris-T have either 12 km or 40 km range. The original 12 km range version is a minimally modified air launched Iris-T. The other version has a larger diameter solid rocket motor. An 80 km range variant is under development. The longer range variants have either IR or radar guided seekers. The current ground launched Iris-T thus has significant changes from the air launched version. But yeah right even when they expand it to its longest range it would basically be an equivalent to the Buk.

But there are longer range systems in between this and the Patriot like the NASAMS (with evolved Sea Sparrow) or SAMP/T (with Aster 30). These are basically ground launched naval SAMs.
 

SolarWarden

Junior Member
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German Iris-T SAM system claimed to have been destroyed in the Kharkov area.
I just love how the Russians show a clear up-close video of "before the attack" but go IR from a far and can't tell what it's hitting and never show the after. Propaganda at its best. But then again it's not for us but for their people who only have access to what MOD tells them.
 

Minm

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I would not agree with that claim, emigration from Ukraine was reduced and last year figure of people who stayed in there was nearly 30 milion so, it is safe to assume that at government controled area lives more than 25 milions people. Nevertheless the demographic structure of current Ukraine is much worese than Russian and current Russian population is at least 5 times greater than Ukrainian.

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It doesn't matter so much how many people there, the population structure matters a lot more. The working age/fighting age population of Ukraine has dropped the most because these are the people most able to migrate to Europe. Retired old women are probably more a burden for the nation rather than a contribution to national defence, and Ukraine has a lot of those
 

Tam

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Costs. Russian FPV done = 500 dollars. T-72B3 Modernization = 1.5+ million dollars. T-90M = 3 to 4 million dollars. Terminator = 5 million dollars.

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Village of Zelenovka in the Marinka direction. Russians use cluster munitions on Ukrainian positions.

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Ukrainian deployment points and targets in the right side of Kherson gets FAB'ed. Last video is Grom missile though.

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Ukrainian supply truck gets hit by Lancet in the Bakhmut direction courtesy of the VDV.

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Ukrainian gun truck with ZU-23-2 hit by Lancet in the Sumy region.

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Ukrainian tank hit by Lancet somewhere in the Donbass.

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Despite downing of the IL-76, the prisoner exchange managed to continue. 195 for 195. Returning Russian POWs.

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Orlan UAV assists in the targeting for a Giasint-S SPG.

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Ukraine published footage of military hospital in Kharkhiv hit by missile strike. AFU army uniforms and stretcher seen.

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Zelensky tried to fire Zaluzny. Sersky and Budanov refused to take over Zaluzny's position. Bad news for Zelensky. Wise move for Budanov and Sersky knowing that the Zaluzny has full AFU support.

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Ukrainians hit Belbek airfield in Sevastopol with Storm Shadow missiles, claims underground bunker destroyed. Parts of a Storm Shadow missile intercepted falls on civilian area.

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AFU airfield in Nikolaev reportedly hit by a missile strike.

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MIC industrial facility in Kharkhiv destroyed. Some idiot on the Ukrainian side published in social media looking for hires to make drones in this site, which the Russians replied in kind.

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Nervsky oil fuel tanks in St. Petersburg hit by Ukrainian drone. Fire was extinguished.

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Successful Russian assault and takeover of an entire forest strip in Staromayorsky. One IFV was lost, but the troops managed to disembark before hand and stormed the forest line. Courtesy of the 60th Brigade.

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Over 20 Ukrainian missiles intercepted over the Black Sea and Crimea in massed attack.

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Special detachment of the 9th Brigade bombs Ukrainian dugouts all over Avdiivka with incendiaries dropped from drones.

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Specialist Brigade Sever-V hunts and targets Ukrainian dugouts and strongholds in the Artemovsk region.

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It's a bit of unusual but now Gerans are used on Ukrainian temporary deployment points, aka barracks, training grounds, command posts and headquarters in the brigade level.

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