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The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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Decent read on the general sentiment and war fatigue in Washington and NATO allies on the conflict:
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Not much we don't already know in terms of events on the battle field, but plainly spells out what the decisions makers in Washington are feeling and saying behind closed doors - that things aren't looking good for Ukraine goals for victory and all options are either bad or ugly.
Theres some additional acknowledgment that the delay and political handwringing on sending Ukraine more powerful weapons at the start of the conflict doomed their prospects of achieving victory and allowed Russian forces to dig in and mobilize.
Ukraine’s hopes for victory over Russia are slipping away
Analysis by Ishaan Tharoor
It’s hard to ignore the sense of desperation in Ukraine’s corridors of power. Nearing two years since Russia launched its full-scale invasion, authorities in Kyiv maintain their long-standing entreaty to partners in the West: Deliver us more arms, more aid, more political commitments.
President Volodymyr Zelensky toured Western capitals at the end of last year, pleading for support amid growing international fatigue with the conflict and paralysis in U.S. Congress over new supplemental funding for Kyiv. Around the same time, his top general, Valery Zaluzhny, bemoaned the “stalemate” that had set into place after the much-anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2023 failed to make strategic headway against Russia’s deep defensive lines.
Paywall free link here:
Not much we don't already know in terms of events on the battle field, but plainly spells out what the decisions makers in Washington are feeling and saying behind closed doors - that things aren't looking good for Ukraine goals for victory and all options are either bad or ugly.
Theres some additional acknowledgment that the delay and political handwringing on sending Ukraine more powerful weapons at the start of the conflict doomed their prospects of achieving victory and allowed Russian forces to dig in and mobilize.
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This is pure bollocks. They poured financial aid and weapons to Ukraine. And they still aren't winning. As can be seen by the lack of capability of Ukraine to upkeep the Leopard 2's, you cannot just dump a complex piece of hardware on someone and expect them to get it to work out of the drop of a hat. The F-16s will likely end up the same way. The only way to upkeep these things would have been to send NATO mechanics into Ukraine.Theres some additional acknowledgment that the delay and political handwringing on sending Ukraine more powerful weapons at the start of the conflict doomed their prospects of achieving victory and allowed Russian forces to dig in and mobilize.
This is pure bollocks. They poured financial aid and weapons to Ukraine. And they still aren't winning.
Not sure what the contention is here, think the article is saying essentially the same thing - hence the war fatigue.
Not really. The article is claiming that had they sent more stuff to Ukraine they would have been winning. But it isn't as simple as that.
It takes time to train an army.
And Ukraine had been spending tremendous amounts of money prior to the war. They had the largest tank army in Europe other than Russia basically. Mostly made of upgraded T-64 mod 2017 and later tanks. These use Western radios, battlefield management systems, and thermals. You could say the only weakness of relevance is the lack of modern aircraft. I say modern because they had a lot of aircraft but they were late Cold War Era. The electronics and weapon systems were not properly upgraded. They only did some minor upgrades including to increase radar lifetime. But this was compensated by the huge amount of Soviet air defense systems which were modernized with more modern radars and integrated into a unified air defense network.
The Ukrainians did have plans to make their own engines for the MiG-29 but I never heard of that project going anywhere.
It takes time to train an army.
And Ukraine had been spending tremendous amounts of money prior to the war. They had the largest tank army in Europe other than Russia basically. Mostly made of upgraded T-64 mod 2017 and later tanks. These use Western radios, battlefield management systems, and thermals. You could say the only weakness of relevance is the lack of modern aircraft. I say modern because they had a lot of aircraft but they were late Cold War Era. The electronics and weapon systems were not properly upgraded. They only did some minor upgrades including to increase radar lifetime. But this was compensated by the huge amount of Soviet air defense systems which were modernized with more modern radars and integrated into a unified air defense network.
The Ukrainians did have plans to make their own engines for the MiG-29 but I never heard of that project going anywhere.
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Unless the Western patron directly intervenes to the conflict.. the Ukrainian maximalist gain of having 1991 border is going to be near impossible to achieve. The concern now is whether Ukrainian will running out of viable men before Russians.
Ukrainians recovering the muzzle brake of their destroyed 2S1 Gvozdika.
Ukrainian ammo field cache gets hit by an FPV drone from the Beaver detachment.
Ukrainian howitzer hit by Lancet in the Kharkhiv region. The gun subsequently burned.
Two Swedish CV-90s hit by Lancets in the Bakhmut direction thanks to the 98tg VDV.
A British L119 howitzer dealt by Lancets in the Bakhmut area.
M109 destroyed by Lancet in the Bakhmut direction.
FAB with UMPK daily striking at Ukrainian targets on the right side of the Dniepr.
Missile hit on Kharkhiv followed by another explosion.
Another video of the Geran caused explosion at the Zmiev oil facility. You can hear the sound of the Geran drones.
FPV drones hit a Ukrainian attempt at landing along the Dniepr.
Ukrainian howitzer hit by Lancet.
Geran strikes on Kiev, Kharkhiv and Krivoy Rog.
Ex-Wagner of the Akhmat Aida group directed an FPV drone to a Ukrainian hideout.
Ukrainian Osa AD system knocked out by Lancet.
Ukrainian ammo field cache gets hit by an FPV drone from the Beaver detachment.
Ukrainian howitzer hit by Lancet in the Kharkhiv region. The gun subsequently burned.
Two Swedish CV-90s hit by Lancets in the Bakhmut direction thanks to the 98tg VDV.
A British L119 howitzer dealt by Lancets in the Bakhmut area.
M109 destroyed by Lancet in the Bakhmut direction.
FAB with UMPK daily striking at Ukrainian targets on the right side of the Dniepr.
Missile hit on Kharkhiv followed by another explosion.
Another video of the Geran caused explosion at the Zmiev oil facility. You can hear the sound of the Geran drones.
FPV drones hit a Ukrainian attempt at landing along the Dniepr.
Ukrainian howitzer hit by Lancet.
Geran strikes on Kiev, Kharkhiv and Krivoy Rog.
Ex-Wagner of the Akhmat Aida group directed an FPV drone to a Ukrainian hideout.
Ukrainian Osa AD system knocked out by Lancet.
Considering that Russia's population is like 3.5x of Ukraine, thinking otherwise is straight up copium.The concern now is whether Ukrainian will running out of viable men before Russians.
155mm PzH2000 gets hit by Lancet.
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Ukrainian deployment point of UAV operators in Krynki gets hit by a LMUR missile.
Ukrainian arms and ammo depot and warehouses gets FAB bombed in Volchansk.
Trophy YPR-765, captured by the 200th MR Brigade in the norther Bakhmut front.
According to Russian Foreign Affairs, at least 26 of the 100 Leopard 2 tanks delivered to Ukraine were destroyed.
30mm 2A72 at work.
Ukrainian targets at the right side of the Dniepr hit by Russian air strikes. And another.
Lancet takes out an M109 on the move.
Sever-V manages to track down a detachment of Ukrainian UAV controllers and lands a mortar hit to their nest.
Previous one
Ukrainian deployment point of UAV operators in Krynki gets hit by a LMUR missile.
Ukrainian arms and ammo depot and warehouses gets FAB bombed in Volchansk.
Trophy YPR-765, captured by the 200th MR Brigade in the norther Bakhmut front.
According to Russian Foreign Affairs, at least 26 of the 100 Leopard 2 tanks delivered to Ukraine were destroyed.
30mm 2A72 at work.
Ukrainian targets at the right side of the Dniepr hit by Russian air strikes. And another.
Lancet takes out an M109 on the move.
Sever-V manages to track down a detachment of Ukrainian UAV controllers and lands a mortar hit to their nest.
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Twenty million is an reasonable number for the people left in Ukraine. So it's like 8 times the difference. The situation will get only worse for them.Considering that Russia's population is like 3.5x of Ukraine, thinking otherwise is straight up copium.
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