Not sure if it's a good idea to have static launch sites, they need to be quite far away if not they could become easy prey to ATACMS with cluster warheads.
The War in the Ukraine
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I assess this as being one of the biggest weaknesses in contemporary Russian practice; I think it’s a holdover from Soviet practice.
I’m, also, not a fan of the large, long-range SAMs for tactical purposes. I think that the S-350 would be better suited.
At least make your costly asset moves... ships near the front lines, dry docks with submarine in range, bunching helicopters for a while at the same airport in range of the enemy, static sam system are clearly not good practices to avoid losses.
Maybe they don't care about a bit of losses and bid on practicability ?
plawolf
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Pre-prepared SAM launch sites are not really the problem, these are cheap to prepare and you generally have a ton of them all over the place. This actually makes it quicker and easier for your SAMs batteries to reposition between shots since these sites will generally have good road access and having pre-prepared sites means your TELs can park and shoot without needed to prepare the ground themselves first.
The problem is NATO ISR.
In a normal war, the enemy can know you have all these pre-prepared launch sites, but have limited and very costly options to checking to see where your batteries are at any one time. Even then, any intel gathered at great cost in lives and assets will almost immediately be obsolete as enemy batteries will reposition as soon as they are done engaging your scout assets.
Blind firing missiles at all the sites is a stupid no-go since there will ge so many sites you will run out of missiles in no time, and anything but a direct hit on a SAM battery can be easily and cheaply repaired in no time.
The factor that cannot be countered is the free reign NATO ISR have to get close to the Russian positions and find their high value assets and direct Ukrainian attacks against them.
Sitting out in a field isn’t really going to change much in that equation. NATO ISR will still have every chance of finding your assets and calling in strikes immediately.
Ukrainian tank gets smashed by ATGM.
M777 gets knocked out by counter battery fire in the Kupyansk front.
Ukrainian IFV gets knocked out by ATGM.
Lancet takes out an AN/TPQ-36 counter battery radar.
And with that the number of Lancet videos have reached 700. Should be noted that not all Lancet videos are published, more can get drip fed later over time.
Somewhere in Kherson, a 122mm D-30 howitzer of the AFU gets knocked out in counter battery duels.
Positions and vehicular parks of the AFU gets treated with four FABs in the Kherson area.
Under thermals. An IFV of the AFU gets hit by ATGM.
Ghoul drones ready to be sent to the front.
The Osman special forces in cooperation with the 76th VDV Division takes out this Ukrainian vehicles in the Rabotino Verbove area.
Ukrainian positions in Klescheevka face massed artillery fire.
New type of suicide drone attacking Kharkhiv. The sound of the drones are different from the Shaheds. While the Shaheds are called mopeds from the sound of the engines, these sound like lawnmowers. I am guessing, first use of Product 54?
Ukrainians are using artillery to clear minefields in Rabotino Verbove, but which only further reduces their limited stocks.
Ukrainian demining vehicle and a mortar crew gets destroyed in the same area.
The 1487th Regiment gets busy on AFU hideouts and strongholds in Avdiivka using ATGMs and FPV drones.
NYT confirms transfer of 155mm shell stocks destined to Ukraine and sent to Israel instead.
The 88th Brigade in the Artemovsk front gets busy with a compilation of attacks on ammo depots and vehicles of the AFU.
132nd Brigade acting on the positions of the AFU in Donetsk.
Krasnopol knock out of a supply truck belonging to the Ukrainian 80th Airborne Brigade.
Ex-AFU soldiers who have switched over to the Russian side are being retrained somewhere in the Luhansk region. Perhaps the AFU should not do force recruitment over areas such as the Donetsk and Luhansk.
M777 gets knocked out by counter battery fire in the Kupyansk front.
Ukrainian IFV gets knocked out by ATGM.
Lancet takes out an AN/TPQ-36 counter battery radar.
And with that the number of Lancet videos have reached 700. Should be noted that not all Lancet videos are published, more can get drip fed later over time.
Somewhere in Kherson, a 122mm D-30 howitzer of the AFU gets knocked out in counter battery duels.
Positions and vehicular parks of the AFU gets treated with four FABs in the Kherson area.
Under thermals. An IFV of the AFU gets hit by ATGM.
Ghoul drones ready to be sent to the front.
The Osman special forces in cooperation with the 76th VDV Division takes out this Ukrainian vehicles in the Rabotino Verbove area.
Ukrainian positions in Klescheevka face massed artillery fire.
New type of suicide drone attacking Kharkhiv. The sound of the drones are different from the Shaheds. While the Shaheds are called mopeds from the sound of the engines, these sound like lawnmowers. I am guessing, first use of Product 54?
Ukrainians are using artillery to clear minefields in Rabotino Verbove, but which only further reduces their limited stocks.
Ukrainian demining vehicle and a mortar crew gets destroyed in the same area.
The 1487th Regiment gets busy on AFU hideouts and strongholds in Avdiivka using ATGMs and FPV drones.
NYT confirms transfer of 155mm shell stocks destined to Ukraine and sent to Israel instead.
The 88th Brigade in the Artemovsk front gets busy with a compilation of attacks on ammo depots and vehicles of the AFU.
132nd Brigade acting on the positions of the AFU in Donetsk.
Krasnopol knock out of a supply truck belonging to the Ukrainian 80th Airborne Brigade.
Ex-AFU soldiers who have switched over to the Russian side are being retrained somewhere in the Luhansk region. Perhaps the AFU should not do force recruitment over areas such as the Donetsk and Luhansk.
Russian BMP neutralizes Russian troops:
More Russian tanks destroyed:
Warning: inflammatory and chest thumping language. Stay mature.
More Russian tanks destroyed:
Warning: inflammatory and chest thumping language. Stay mature.
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Missile attack on the Ukrainian postal terminal in Kharkov. A missile strike on the New Post office in Kharkov was carried out on the evening of October 21. Ukrainian authorities have already confirmed the fact of an attack on the Nova Poshta terminal. Reportedly, the logistics capabilities of the terminal were used to meet the needs of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Fire and rescue services are on the scene.
I think this is the first video of Hawks being used in Ukraine. The second one malfunctions and desintegrates shortly after launch
I heard there was a report from a journalist that there were 50 plus tank engines that were on transit when the attack happened. No way to verify if it's true or not but I'll put in in the plausible section.
R-37M being employed with MiG-31 now and, has been responsible for the destruction of 15 Ukrainian aircraft on a short time period, nine being MiG-29s, with seven lost in a single day. Other take downs include an Su-24 and a Mi-8 helicopter. Starting from 10:29.
Shoot down of a Ukrainian fighter jet.
FPV drone hit an attempt of evacuation by the Ukrainians.
An attempt to assault the positions of the VDV leads to the loss of a BMP-2 of the AFU and assorted personnel.
Ukrainian positions, with targeting provided by the Sparta Battalion, were hit with Grad MLRS.
Kherson front. A Ukrainian occupied trench gets hit with two Ghoul drones.
The barrel of this 2S1 Gvozdika of the AFU has failed. Self inflicted from wear and tear.
Mortar crew of international contingent Pyatnashka showering Ukrainian positions in Avdiivka.
In the Artemovosk front, two Ukrainian BMP-2 were each hit by ATGMs. The crew and personnel of both APCs were hounded by artillery and FPV drones. A Ukrainian T-64BV attempted to rescue but itself fell victim.
Russian BTR-D with two 82mm 2B9M mortars. Shoot and scoot mobile mortars are in heavy demand.
Spanish 120mm Alacran self propelled mortar deployed with the AFU's Kraken unit.
FPV drone from the Sparta Battalion hits an AFU tank in Avdiivka.
Mi-28MN
Hi rise no longer. FABs hitting AFU occupied high rises in Avdiivka.
This high rise building near the Avdiivka coke plant goes down after getting a FAB-500.
Ukrainian Grad MLRS was tracked by Orlan, which adjusted Russian artillery at it.
TOS used on Ukrainian positions in Verbove.
Ka-52 hunt and destruction of an AFU vehicle in the Kupyansk area.
Ukrainian supply truck gets hit by Krasnopol.
Weapon Porn of the day: 2S31 Vienna, with 120mm 2A80 rifled gun. The gun can fire AP to mortar rounds, with ranges up to 13km.
Today's report from the US ISW.
To summarize:
The main conclusions of the American Institute for the Study of War are:
The Russian army advanced southeast of Pervomaiskoye.Russian troops launched a series of missile strikes and UAV strikes on Ukraine.Russian troops conducted offensive operations on the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminnaya line, near Bakhmut, on the Avdiivka-Donetsk line, in the border area of the DPR and Zaporizhzhia region and in the west of the Zaporizhzhia region and advanced in some areas.The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation conducted offensive operations at the line of Kupyansk, Svatove, Kreminna and achieved success, advancing southwest of Pervotravne, southwest of Yakhidne and east of Terna.Ukrainian troops unsuccessfully attacked the areas of Synkivka, Ivanivka, Nadiya, Torsky, Serebryansky forestry, Dibrov and Makiivka.Russia said that Ukrainian forces unsuccessfully attacked the areas of Bohdanivka and Klishchiivka.Russian forces continued ground attacks near Avdiivka and advanced south of Avdiivka and southeast of Pervomaiske.Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the western Zaporizhzhia region, but did not achieve any confirmed successes.
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Man, these things are ancient! Crazy to see them being used in 2023! Impressive it even managed to get hit lol!