The War in the Ukraine

Sinnavuuty said:

What a disaster.

A Western army would launch airmobile assault forces into the rear of the AFU(always carried out in areas weakly or not defended by the enemy), carry out artillery attacks, then descend infantry landing forces(always within artillery range of the superior unit ) to carry out attacks from behind, after the infantry disembarked, the helicopters could perform other combat missions (combat support missions and logistical support missions, among others), all this coordination to provide support and conditions for the armored vehicles to be able to advance (a maneuver that the Russians are trying and losing dozens of armored vehicles).

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Cult Icon said:

The Russians have limited troop quality (penal assault companies, mobilized infantry units, etc.) and aren't using mounted airmobile forces, likely due to Ukrainian AA.

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Cult Icon said:

Overall it seems that nobody has figured out how to executive efficient, rapid and powerful combined arms operations with modern ISR, AA & PGMs yet, the troop quality and planning capability doesn't seem to be there.

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Ukrainian army inducts Ratel-S kamikaze small UGV to blow up tanks​

The Ukrainians tried to apply western combat doctrine in their grand offensive and got clapped way harder than the Russians. There are many firsthand accounts where the vaunted western military experts literally sidestepped obvious and important questions from Ukrainian veterans by applying magical thinking or outright avoiding the question. Such as suggesting you simply ‘go around’ the minefields or not being able to offer an advice on drone use since they themselves don’t use small combat drones or have any playbook for what to do if facing them.

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Sinnavuuty said:

This is all mitigated with electronic warfare support, air support, infiltration at night or in adverse weather, suppression of the enemy's anti-aircraft defense system with artillery, among other elements that must be included in mission planning.

I agree. However, the problem seems to be more execution than planning itself. We have two armies that are incapable of exercising combined arms maneuvers on the offensive (especially against fortified targets), but are excellent on the defensive.

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plawolf said:

Someone clearly hasn’t bothered to keep track of major developments throughout this war.

The Russians tried all of that and it only led to heavier losses earlier in the war.

This ugly slugfest is what happens when two near-peers go to war where neither side holds overwhelming across the board dominance.

The kind of western textbook combined arms offensive you describe is only possible with overwhelming military dominance across the board.

The Ukrainians tried to apply western combat doctrine in their grand offensive and got clapped way harder than the Russians. There are many firsthand accounts where the vaunted western military experts literally sidestepped obvious and important questions from Ukrainian veterans by applying magical thinking or outright avoiding the question. Such as suggesting you simply ‘go around’ the minefields or not being able to offer an advice on drone use since they themselves don’t use small combat drones or have any playbook for what to do if facing them.

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plawolf said:

Someone clearly hasn’t bothered to keep track of major developments throughout this war.

The Russians tried all of that and it only led to heavier losses earlier in the war.

This ugly slugfest is what happens when two near-peers go to war where neither side holds overwhelming across the board dominance.

The kind of western textbook combined arms offensive you describe is only possible with overwhelming military dominance across the board.

The Ukrainians tried to apply western combat doctrine in their grand offensive and got clapped way harder than the Russians. There are many firsthand accounts where the vaunted western military experts literally sidestepped obvious and important questions from Ukrainian veterans by applying magical thinking or outright avoiding the question. Such as suggesting you simply ‘go around’ the minefields or not being able to offer an advice on drone use since they themselves don’t use small combat drones or have any playbook for what to do if facing them.

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Sinnavuuty said:

I agree. However, the problem seems to be more execution than planning itself. We have two armies that are incapable of exercising combined arms maneuvers on the offensive (especially against fortified targets), but are excellent on the defensive.

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