The War in the Ukraine

Deino

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According to that article Russia actually is coming ahead in terms of captured land since Ukraine's counteroffensive started.

Russia is also shaping up the area in the north, they will likely make a push for the Oskol river soon.


I would be careful with this ... other maps show different gains but overall its more or less a zero-sum game
 

Tam

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Four Kh-38 strikes at bridges over the Oskol River. A total of three bridges attacked with two strikes on one bridge. This bridge has an eastern and western side to it.

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The fourth strike on a bridge over the Oskol River. This cuts off logistics against Ukrainian forces in the other side of the river.

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Hidden Ukrainian howitzer gets taken out by Russian artillery.

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Number of Russian published FPV drone attack videos for the month of September exceeds over 500.

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Wrecked Ukrainian equipment along the 'Road of Life' or 'Road of Death' to Rabotino. Looks to me as bad or worst as the death road of Ukrainian vehicles on the roads resupplying Bakhmut. At this point, the Russians are farming this road like they did in Bakhmut, the big difference this time they are doing it now with FPV drones.

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This is the Road of Death to Verbove.

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You can count the number of dead vehicles here. Once again the Russians are farming here, often with FPV drones.

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Bushmaster got blown up by a mine.

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Ukrainian mortar nest gets hit by artillery adjusted with a quadcopter.

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AFU command post hit by artillery of the 150th MR Division.

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The coke plant at Avdiivka has been turned into a fortification by the Ukrainians and is now severely hit by air strikes. Not sure if this is coke as in Coke or coke as carbon fuel. The location is also being used as a depot for ammunition and fuel, so the big columns of smoke bears that.

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Akhmat and the 1st Battalion of the 4th Brigade of the RFAF taking on the AFU at Kleeshevka.

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Sudoplatov Battalion hits a Swedish Stridsvagn 40, aka Swedish Leopard with a VT-122 kamekaze drone. This might be the first instance of this Leopard variant to show up in Zaporozhye.

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Krab destroyed and positions of the AFU Edelweiss 10th Mountain Brigade getting Krasnopoled.

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247th Cossacks VDV Regiment covers Ukrainian held trenches with drones and heavy fire.

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drowingfish

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My takeaway from the last year or so is that when both sides have access to air defense, drones, and artillery, the 21st century battlefield bears a striking resemblance to WW1.
yes, and that is how it will play out.

for russia to win this, they have to do the following three things:

1. defend with fortifications to bleed ukrainian army, while preserving their own, this is already being done very well.
2. local attacks to keep ukrainian army off balance, preventing them from gaining the initiative or to build up their own defense. this was done remarkably well in bakhmut, in recent months we have not seen as much success, as ukraine has finally been able to concentrate in robotino.
3. major offensive to happen only after ukraine is thoroughly exhausted, this won't happen until at least next summer possibly longer. and when a major offensive is to happen and to break the will of the ukrainian army, it will need to take place beyond just the current lines of contact where battles are happening, but also along the borders where no battles are happening such as sumy. only by stretching the battleline can russia fully realize its advantage in numbers (which it can obtain if Ukraine is sufficiently attrite and if it can build up sufficient strike groups)
 

plawolf

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yes, and that is how it will play out.

for russia to win this, they have to do the following three things:

1. defend with fortifications to bleed ukrainian army, while preserving their own, this is already being done very well.
2. local attacks to keep ukrainian army off balance, preventing them from gaining the initiative or to build up their own defense. this was done remarkably well in bakhmut, in recent months we have not seen as much success, as ukraine has finally been able to concentrate in robotino.
3. major offensive to happen only after ukraine is thoroughly exhausted, this won't happen until at least next summer possibly longer. and when a major offensive is to happen and to break the will of the ukrainian army, it will need to take place beyond just the current lines of contact where battles are happening, but also along the borders where no battles are happening such as sumy. only by stretching the battleline can russia fully realize its advantage in numbers (which it can obtain if Ukraine is sufficiently attrite and if it can build up sufficient strike groups)

Or they can just bleed the Ukrainians while limiting their own losses to acceptable levels and wait for NATO to pull the plug on propping up Ukraine militarily and financially and watch Ukrainian resistance evaporate overnight, just like the much vaunted Afghan National army.

Without weapons, supplies and even food, the few die hards who choose to stay and fight will die, hard.
 

SteelBird

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The first case of a Lancet drone hitting a Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft. Footage has been published of the first strike of the Russian kamikaze drone “Lancet” on the MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force. This is the first time such a drone strike has been recorded in Ukraine. Reportedly, the Lancet drone strike was recorded at the Krivoy Rog airfield Dolgintsevo, 70 kilometers from the front line. This confirms that the Lancet drone can strike targets at a range of up to 70 kilometers.

The accuracy of the Lancet is not so high. Should it be a direct hit, the MiG-29 might had been written off.
 

Janiz

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My takeaway from the last year or so is that when both sides have access to air defense, drones, and artillery, the 21st century battlefield bears a striking resemblance to WW1.
No - it's not. It's a war between the poorest country on the continent against a grossly incapable force mainly using equipment from the times before Soviet Union dissolved with some current additions (but not much). And the tactics utilized in this war are 50 years old doctrines without much adjustments. This is not 21st century war because both countries are stuck in the half century backwards world because of the various reasons (mainly corruption).
Or they can just bleed the Ukrainians while limiting their own losses to acceptable levels and wait for NATO to pull the plug on propping up Ukraine militarily and financially and watch Ukrainian resistance evaporate overnight, just like the much vaunted Afghan National army.

Without weapons, supplies and even food, the few die hards who choose to stay and fight will die, hard.
lol, I wouldn't put the name of a country Afghanistan in any piece that wants to make Russia look good in military matters. 40k KIA and 110k incapacitated - how does that compare to the side that you're trying to show as a bad example? And those numbers were "achieved" in 11 years. Now those numbers are surely bigger. in one and a half year.
So I wouldn't call that a "progress". It's the other way around.
And this winter Ukrainians will start hitting Russian infrastructure for sure. It's unprepared and the country is vast so Russians will get tit for tat on what they'll do this winter.
 

Tam

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Putin meets with Deputy Defense Minister Yevkurov and Chief Deputy of Wagner PMC Andrei Troshev call sign "Grey". What are they up to? More voluntary Wagner units are being formed.

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Another FAB UMPK on the Ukrainian deployment point in Krasnoliman.

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Ukrainian air force Kulbakino airfield in Nikolaev hit by missiles. Fires were burning.

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Road to Verbove littered with AFU vehicle wrecks.

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Kornet ATGM flies across the Dniepr River to hit the Ukrainian observation post on the other end.

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Ukrainian observation post hit by Krasnopol by the 30th Artillery Brigade.

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Ukrainian assault trying hard and heavy here at Verbove. More than 40 AFU vehicles concentrated in one area, some being hit, others appear already immobilized or destroyed.

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Never ending FABing at Ukrainian positions at Novomikhailovka and Paraskoviyevka.

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Sinnavuuty

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The counteroffensive is proving much more difficult than war planners and armchair experts estimated.
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Russian defenses turned out to be stronger than expected - The Times. British Chief of Defense Staff Admiral Tony Radakin said Ukraine's counter-offensive was moving slowly because Russia's defensive lines were stronger than the West expected. He also added that one should not expect success in the Ukrainian offensive in the short term. Radakin further stated that Ukraine's operations are hampered by the lack of military training of the country's mobilized soldiers. He also attributed the lack of progress to the “wide variety” of military equipment and equipment in service with Ukrainian troops, who now have to use both Soviet and Western weapons. Moreover, he hinted that the Kiev government was probably too late to launch a counteroffensive.
 
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