The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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Happened again, this time in Avdiivka:
To be fair that barrage also shows how Russia is sorely lacking precision attack weapon. But anyway the vehicles tried to cross an open area and Russian artillery just kept pounding them until they decided to back off and run away, leaving behind a few destroyed vehicles.
The IFV were full of infantry on top and running into artillery. Maybe the vehicules pass but damn, these poor lads are in the shrapnel zone, they could be hit at over 50m and have nowhere to go. Disembarking means better cover but staying in the zone. Going with the tank make them leave the zone but at the cost of being totally exposed.
 
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Overbom

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Ukraine receiving harpoons and M109 self-propelled howitzers. Would be a test of Admiral Grigorovich-class air defense if they are used.
Conceptually, having your ships as a sitting duck taking ground-based anti-ship missiles, is a losing strategy.

Ships have a a limited anti-air missile capability. Ground anti-ship missiles might as well as be infinite. The West can keep sending hundreds of such missiles to Ukraine

I think Putin is making a strategic error. Its not enough for ships to passively defend against this new threat. Something needs to be done to stop this foreign inflow of weapons to Ukraine

I said from the first week of the "special military operation" that Russia's strategy was flawed because it gave the option for Western powers to arm Ukraine. 3 months in, and this mistake has still not been resolved by Putin.

Let's see what excuses he will spin when/if another Russian ship gets hit.
 

Stealthflanker

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Well if there is A-50 over the black sea, chance of intercepting low fliers increased considerably. Russians seems to deploy one already in Black sea. That will help alot against Harpoon. Would also be nice to get planes too to intercept the missiles before it reach the ship.
 

Atomicfrog

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Well if there is A-50 over the black sea, chance of intercepting low fliers increased considerably. Russians seems to deploy one already in Black sea. That will help alot against Harpoon. Would also be nice to get planes too to intercept the missiles before it reach the ship.
The best way to intercept them is to destroy them before they launch. They know they are coming... so more UAV to find them and Russia can just Iskander them... Orlan bomblets can be enough to damage components. We will see if patriot are good against small UAV.
 

taxiya

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Doesn't Russia have geostationary satellite with real-time monitoring capabilities? Russia is a reputable space power with independent GLONASS GNSS and ISS modules, why would Russia not own this relatively basic tech that even commercial companies deploy and rely on China to supply it? Also, if geostationary, Chinese satellite are more likely focused on Asia-Pacific region than Eastern Europe.
Nobody has real-time GEO monitoring capability right now for the kind of work that you talk about. All NATO and China are doing are using low earth observatory satellite constellations. And as of today even these constellations are NOT real-time. They are basic, but very expensive to have. Think about when did Russia launched the last GLONASS?
 

Corona

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Task failed successfully again! :
Mercenaries refuse to go into position, as there is no support, and the command gives inadequate orders.

Ahem..!
The head of the European Commission,Ursula von Leyen, said that the European Union is forced to buy Russian oil so that "Putin does not earn more somewhere else :

Starlink set found by Russians in Lyman. Apparently a bunch of them have also been recovered in Mariupol but the soldiers aren't talking about it to avoid command taking them away :
 

sheogorath

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The West can keep sending hundreds of such missiles to Ukraine

They won't though, particularly if they are serious about starting a war with China, too.

NATO is already being forced to play a balancing act, as their former WARPAC stocks are depleted and they have to send equipment of their own stocks(even if early blocks/obsolete).

As the war drags on, they will have to face the choice of sending more modern stuff from their own stocks at the expense of their readiness, which isn't replaceable in the short to mid term, because the industrial capacity isn't there and hasn't been there for years, nor the money to do so if they don't intend on spiraling into a bigger economic crisis.

This will also affect their ambitions of going to war with China to please the US, because you can't fight a war without weapons if you give them away and the replacements can't be built fast enough.

Or, they will have to cut their losses and stop supporting Ukraine.

The one actor of this mess that seems to have completely lost the plot and out of its depth, are the brits, though.
 
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