The War in the Ukraine

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Zichan

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Retired 4 star General Keane recommends assembling an international naval coalition ( so that Russia cannot point a finger at the US) to demine Ukrainian ports and escort cargo ships to allow Ukraine to export its grain and save the world from hunger.

Never mind that 30% of the corn grown in the US is converted to Ethanol biofuel, which alone amounts to more than double of all grain types exported by Ukraine.
 
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Zichan said:
Retired 4 star General Keane recommends assembling an international naval coalition ( so that Russia cannot point a finger at the US) to demine Ukrainian ports and escort cargo ships to allow Ukraine to export its grain and save the world from hunger:
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Lets pour gas on the fire... they could export that grain by train if they need it that bad.
 
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Zichan said:
Retired 4 star General Keane recommends assembling an international naval coalition ( so that Russia cannot point a finger at the US) to demine Ukrainian ports and escort cargo ships to allow Ukraine to export its grain and save the world from hunger. Never mind that 30% of the corn grown in the US is converted to Ethanol.
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Have good luck with Turkey for that.

The current Montreux convention give more power to Turkey than the generic one governing the strait, loosing its would set back its strategically.

The USA is on bad terms with Turkey, asking to trash the Montreux convention require something big in exhange ,and the USA doesn't have anything for offer.
 
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One of the Australian-donated Bushmater MRAPs, or what's left of it. Wonder how long will Oryx take to add it to his tally, if he adds it at all.

EDIT: he added it. Though now he is also counting a destroyed BTR-4 as Russian because the turret had a painted square on it...
 
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Conceptually, having your ships as a sitting duck taking ground-based anti-ship missiles, is a losing strategy.

Ships have a a limited anti-air missile capability. Ground anti-ship missiles might as well as be infinite. The West can keep sending hundreds of such missiles to Ukraine

I think Putin is making a strategic error. Its not enough for ships to passively defend against this new threat. Something needs to be done to stop this foreign inflow of weapons to Ukraine

I said from the first week of the "special military operation" that Russia's strategy was flawed because it gave the option for Western powers to arm Ukraine. 3 months in, and this mistake has still not been resolved by Putin.

Let's see what excuses he will spin when/if another Russian ship gets hit.
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Is there evidence of the first ship got hit by Ukranian antiship missile?. Ships are not sitting duck. they provide both fire power (cruise missile) and air defense intercept. Moskov did not fulfilled those missions.
Arming UKraine means Russia military got more realistic scenario, that will help in training and weopons improvement. Russia has enormous airpower and airlift capability over battlefield. this allow them to conduct high tech operation with minimum manpower.
they are moving more systems around Ukraine. I have serious doubt any power or combination of countries can conduct such scale operation in post covid environment.
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sheogorath said:
The one actor of this mess that seems to have completely lost the plot and out of its depth, are the brits, though.
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The brits governement is in need of a lot of distractions to put attention away of their internals problems... but beside a couple of missiles launchers (nlaw, brimstone, starstreak) they didn't give a lot to Ukraine. Couple of armored vehicule and ifantery weapons cannot turn the balance of the war.
 
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Anlsvrthng said:
Have good luck with Turkey for that.

The current Montreux convention give more power to Turkey than the generic one governing the strait, loosing its would set back its strategically.

The USA is on bad terms with Turkey, asking to trash the Montreux convention require something big in exhange ,and the USA doesn't have anything for offer.
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Turkey will fold if needed. They're just using the crisis to extract more money from the west.

The real question is, do the Americans have the balls to break a naval blockade? If Ukraine has free access to it's sea ports again, their ability to import and export will give them breathing room. It would be a big mistake for Russia to allow that IMO.
 
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Turkey will fold if needed. They're just using the crisis to extract more money from the west.

The real question is, do the Americans have the balls to break a naval blockade? If Ukraine has free access to it's sea ports again, their ability to import and export will give them breathing room. It would be a big mistake for Russia to allow that IMO.
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Sea ports will be carpet bombed if they try something fishy...the grain will burn and if they have corn, port will be covered with popcorn.

I cannot see a direct confrontation from outside forces without a big response from Russia.
 
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