The War in the Ukraine

FriedButter

FriedButter

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I don’t get this whole Russian conscripts are poorly trained and have horrible morale thing. The Ukrainian army who were specifically trained for this offensive hasn’t breach the perimeter that is manned by dollar store conscripts.

FairAndUnbiased said:
as representative as Wagner special forces being able to pass for Ukrainians and shoot brigade commanders point blank with pistols in the middle of their base. that is to say, not at all. it might happen due to luck, but you can't count on luck.
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It helps that both sides practically speak the same language and look the same.
 
Fedupwithlies

Fedupwithlies

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FairAndUnbiased said:
as representative as Wagner special forces being able to pass for Ukrainians and shoot brigade commanders point blank with pistols in the middle of their base. that is to say, not at all. it might happen due to luck, but you can't count on luck.
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Well, bear with me here.

The majority of combat footage I see gets fed to me through Facebook and through here, with a little bit of Telegram accounts on the side.

The summary of footage I can see is Ukrainians using quadrotors and up-close combat, like point-blank range anti-tank and grenades, while Russians use larger Lancets, attack helicopters, artillery, and so-on. In fact I haven't really even seen many sniper videos from the Ukrainians lately.

So my thinking is, the Russians are much more lethal than the Ukrainians long range, but once up close the Ukrainians hold an advantage.
This video would be further proof of that.

My though process is, if the Russians and the Ukrainians both know UKR is dangerous close up and RUS is dangerous far away, that would explain the constant pulling back from the Russians as well as the advancing despite all odds behavior of the Ukrainians, as each tries to position themselves where they're most lethal.

In this case, it could be that the Russians just lacked the training or discipline to pull back fast enough and got caught out.

I do agree though that with how this particular video was pushed, something like this probably isn't commonplace.
 
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Tam

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Many reports of surrenderies as well as tank cews refusing to fight by complaining about tank damage and issues, especially among Leopard tanks (whether the complaints are valid or invented as an excuse is another matter). What's verified is we do have have photos and videos of mass surrenderies. Here a Ukrainian soldier went through the trouble of giving himself up.

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More Ka-52 kills.

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A Russian tank shell hits a Ukrainian troop company at Pyatihatki, now the scene of one of the worst human life disasters in the war.

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Old BMP filled with explosives and sent to Ukrainian front lines in Zaporozhye. This followed after Russians sent a T-54 with six tons of explosives to Ukrainian lines in Avdiivka, although this tank hit a mine instead which could have cleared a minefield instead. This can be the beginning of a new pattern.

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S-300 trucks, probably radars or command units, taken out by Lancet in Kherson. This is a new, separate event when obtf Kaskad took out two S-300 radars with Lancet, which should be around the border of Zaporozhye and South Donetsk.

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Not sure what PGM took out this Ukrainian SPG at night.

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Destroyed Kipri at Novodonetsk.

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FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

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Fedupwithlies said:
Well, bear with me here.

The majority of combat footage I see gets fed to me through Facebook and through here, with a little bit of Telegram accounts on the side.

The summary of footage I can see is Ukrainians using quadrotors and up-close combat, like point-blank range anti-tank and grenades, while Russians use larger Lancets, attack helicopters, artillery, and so-on. In fact I haven't really even seen many sniper videos from the Ukrainians lately.

So my thinking is, the Russians are much more lethal than the Ukrainians long range, but once up close the Ukrainians hold an advantage.
This video would be further proof of that.

My though process is, if the Russians and the Ukrainians both know UKR is dangerous close up and RUS is dangerous far away, that would explain the constant pulling back from the Russians as well as the advancing despite all odds behavior of the Ukrainians, as each tries to position themselves where they're most lethal.

In this case, it could be that the Russians just lacked the training or discipline to pull back fast enough and got caught out.

I do agree though that with how this particular video was pushed, something like this probably isn't commonplace.
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this may be true, but that's more because the Ukrainians lack enough artillery, strike aircraft and missiles to be lethal at long range. if they had Lancets, they wouldn't need to improvise with conscripts piloting quadcopters.

Russians also mostly dig trenches as obstacles I believe, its more for slowing down Ukrainian wheeled vehicles to make them easier for long ranged assets to take out. The Russian trenches are only lightly manned so if their long ranged assets aren't enough, the trench garrison has to run or get overrun.
 
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Topazchen

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670868237074956301

He's alive apparently . What's interesting is how they have blurred everything and everyone but the date printed on an A4 sized paper.

We are supposed to believe that this 200 billion dollar NATO trained armed army forgot to buy a digital clock and EVERY morning, an intern has to print the date and use a chair to hang it on the wall.

Sorry, not convincing.
 
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BlackWindMnt

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Topazchen said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670868237074956301

He's alive apparently . What's interesting is how they have blurred everything and everyone but the date printed on an A4 sized paper.

We are supposed to believe that this 200 billion dollar NATO trained armed army forgot to buy a digital clock and EVERY morning, an intern has to print the date and use a chair to hang it on the wall.

Sorry, not convincing.
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You would expect some live press conference to show he is still alive.
Instead of this social media bullshit.
 
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Tam

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Wagner billboard ad for recruitment. New season back in the front will begin in August 5.

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Destruction of a Ukrainian ammunition depot in the Zaporozhye sector.

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Recruitment poster for Stalin's Falcons, a new volunteer UAV group. Good examples of such groups include the Obtf Kaskad, Russian Far East volunteer group, Kalmius, Black Hussars, Kuban Cossacks, Sparta Battalion, Somali Battalion. While consisting of volunteers, a volunteer militia group isn't a PMC either.

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A TOS barrage managed to destroy a Ukrainian ammo depot in the Zaporozhye sector. Another ammo depot destroyed reported to belong to the Ukrainian 65th Brigade.

 
plawolf

plawolf

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Fedupwithlies said:
Well, bear with me here.

The majority of combat footage I see gets fed to me through Facebook and through here, with a little bit of Telegram accounts on the side.

The summary of footage I can see is Ukrainians using quadrotors and up-close combat, like point-blank range anti-tank and grenades, while Russians use larger Lancets, attack helicopters, artillery, and so-on. In fact I haven't really even seen many sniper videos from the Ukrainians lately.

So my thinking is, the Russians are much more lethal than the Ukrainians long range, but once up close the Ukrainians hold an advantage.
This video would be further proof of that.

My though process is, if the Russians and the Ukrainians both know UKR is dangerous close up and RUS is dangerous far away, that would explain the constant pulling back from the Russians as well as the advancing despite all odds behavior of the Ukrainians, as each tries to position themselves where they're most lethal.

In this case, it could be that the Russians just lacked the training or discipline to pull back fast enough and got caught out.

I do agree though that with how this particular video was pushed, something like this probably isn't commonplace.
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No, the Ukrainians are not more deadly close up. It’s just that the nature of CQB eliminates a lot of the advantages of the Russians’ superior firepower and gives the Ukrainian a far more even fight. We just see more videos of Ukrainians winning CQBs because every Ukrainian specops soldier and foreign fighter seems to have a go-pro as standard issue recording everything and uploading all their kills online to be amplified while Russian special forces actually behave like special forces and don’t spam videos of all their kills online.

The Russians pull back because they don’t want an even fight and even exchange rate of lives. They much prefer to sit from afar and shell the Ukrainians to dust.
 
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