The War in the Ukraine

Broccoli

Senior Member
Problem is those planes needs airstrips and supply infrastructure.
And main usage would be restricted as flyable air defence .
Problem is in both role the Mig29 and Su27 superior compared to the western planes.
Capable to work in very bad conditions, easy to maintain, and insensitive.


Anyaway, after few decade its war finaly show that the Soviet weapons superior to the western ones.

Western advertising and design consider only one-two sapect of the weapons , Soviets considered all aspect as a weapon.

Example the F-35 stealth capability in Ukrainan field conditions would be degraded to an f-18 level in few weeks time.

And the engine life would decrease to few hundreds of hour .

Most likelly any wetern plane introduced to Ukraine would use up all spare parts and engines for that type in half year time.

Not a suprise no one talk about transfering western airplanes to Ukraine, instead try to scrap the bottom of barrel for usable Soviet planes and parts.

Finland uses F-18 from road bases all the time.
 

lucretius

Junior Member
Registered Member
As does Taiwan with it's F16's

The West can't keep suplying old Soviet gear, it can supply western aircraft parts though.

I think how Ukraine uses these aircraft is more important than a top trumps competition with Soviet counterparts. Can they employ them effectively.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
Apparently Oryx will no longer continue counting. The task seems unfortunately eating deeply into his well being without proper appreciation. I wish him well in his future endeavour.

Lmao, what a clown. From all the time he could quit, he really choose this time. What a coincidence

If that doesn't scream he is a propaganda asset, I don't know what it will take to convince people that he is a hack
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
The Ukrainian ammunition shortage has seriously effected their ability to provide important fire support to their attacking groups of infantry and AFVs, leading to poor results.
The Ukrainians certainly seem to have enough ammo to waste thousands of artillery shells a day bombing civilian areas in Belgorod and Donetsk. One of the reasons Ukraine is performing so bad is precisely because they are not fighting with the same strategy as a conventional army. Instead of striking enemy troop concentrations they waste a lot of ammunition hitting civilian targets. Allegedly Ukraine is using like 3-4k 152/155mm shells a day on such targets.

The Russians also have a self-propelled minelayer unit that can shoot and automatically generate minefields from long range.
It is not like Ukraine does not have mines which can be remotely deployed with artillery or MLRS. It is just that those systems are way less automated.

I have no idea how Ukraine-nato have planned on confronting this problem outside of brute force and attacking with superior numbers.
They clearly haven't. What Ukraine did the last couple of days was push more infantry to the front in huge numbers. This means their pace of advance slightly increased, but casualties have more than doubled if you believe the numbers the Russians are putting out.

We might see an aspect of it in the supply of F16 and F18 aircraft
Any non-AESA equipped F-16 and F-18 has a worse radar than the Su-35 and MiG-31BM the Russians have. And do you really think NATO will provide enough aircraft so Ukraine can equalize things? The Russians have hundreds of such aircraft. Even if they wanted to provide similar numbers of aircraft to Ukraine, the Russians would just strike aircraft concentration zones with cruise missiles.

Also, as all those aircraft were updated at least in 1990s with AMRAAM capability - they're going to close the qualitative gap with RuAF, significantly.
Not really. They do not have AESA radar so they have like half the radar range of the Su-35 and MiG-31BM. And the AMRAAM has less range than the R-37M. The Russian aircraft were upgraded in like the 2010s. There is like a 20 year gap in technology even with those modernized aircraft they announced they will supply to Ukraine. Let alone the late Cold War fodder that Ukraine was previously using.

Ukrainian helicopters, su-25s and mig-29s are quite active - up to VKS standards of activity.
No. Just no.

But Ukrainian Su-27s are notably less active, and Su-24 fleet is now for special purposes only - not just because of storm shadows, but simply because getting them into air isn't exactly simple.
Ukraine got a lot of spare aircraft and parts from former Warsaw Pact members after the conflict started. The Su-27 was not exported to the Warsaw Pact.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The Ukrainians certainly seem to have enough ammo to waste thousands of artillery shells a day bombing civilian areas in Belgorod and Donetsk. One of the reasons Ukraine is performing so bad is precisely because they are not fighting with the same strategy as a conventional army. Instead of striking enemy troop concentrations they waste a lot of ammunition hitting civilian targets. Allegedly Ukraine is using like 3-4k 152/155mm shells a day on such targets.
Come on, that seems like a massive and obvious exaggeration since Ukraine barely managed 6k shells per day at their peak, which was achieved in August 2022.

The level of devastation from so much shelling over such a long period would also have completely wiped major cities off the map by now.

While Ukrainian forces are most certainly guilty of deliberately and repeatedly terror shelling of Russian controlled civilian city centres, it has never been anything close to that scale.

The main issue surrounding the Ukrainian army’s artillery support, or rather the lack thereof, is one due to insufficient ammo, rather than because they are using thousands of shells a day on civilians. That’s not a hard claim to easily sense check and debunk.
 

Biscuits

Major
Registered Member
Lmao, what a clown. From all the time he could quit, he really choose this time. What a coincidence

If that doesn't scream he is a propaganda asset, I don't know what it will take to convince people that he is a hack
It was the smart thing to do.

The credibility of the Oryx brand is spent. Now that western equipment is getting blapped in footaged numbers off the charts, Russians will keep trolling Oryx until time immemorial since they staked their whole brand on "counting losses".

But the US govt knows perfectly how to deal with a situation like that. You just do the same as with a company that collapses. Declare bankruptcy, kill the brand, then bring the key employees over to a new project once the smoke has cleared.

See you soon again, Oryx people.
 

Gloire_bb

Captain
Registered Member
Not really. They do not have AESA radar so they have like half the radar range of the Su-35 and MiG-31BM. And the AMRAAM has less range than the R-37M. The Russian aircraft were upgraded in like the 2010s. There is like a 20 year gap in technology even with those modernized aircraft they announced they will supply to Ukraine. Let alone the late Cold War fodder that Ukraine was previously using.
Ranges are secondary thing, ranges matter for those who actually can fight.
Digital radars and Fire-and-Forget missiles - first. Without those two Ukrainian aircraft can't fight BVR in the first place.

Also, while the gap against Su-35 will still remain extreme - Su-30SMs may find themselves threatened.
No. Just no.
Well, Ukraine's most-flying Su-25 pilot is almost at 350 combat sorties.
Like it, hate it, it's close to one per day.
Ukraine got a lot of spare aircraft and parts from former Warsaw Pact members after the conflict started. The Su-27 was not exported to the Warsaw Pact.
When we talk about aircraft, all of this is secondary. Largest source of aircraft for Ukraine during the first year was Ukraine itself.
Because Ukraine had more Soviet aircraft in various stage of decaystorage than all the west combined.
 

Tam

Brigadier
Registered Member
Ukrainian tank hit by RPG-7 on the flank from the tank POV. The feed cuts off as thick smoke begins to cover the tank.


Ukrainian tank hit by Lancet at the rear courtesy of obtf Kaskad. Tank is smoking but still continue to run but for how long. There are also videos from obtf Kaskad, about their snipers doing headshots but too NSFW for my taste. So it's not about all Lancets from this unit.


Leopard rams burning Bradley then starts to burn itself.


Ukrainian D-30 howitzer destroyed by Russian artillery.


Russian bombardment of Ukrainian positions at Piatykhatky.


Russian air strike, probably a FAB-500.

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Two Ukrainian tanks destroyed, not sure what the assailant was.

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Destroyed Ukrainian vehicles in Artemovsk sector.

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Destroyed Ukrainian vehicles in the Orekhiv sector.

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Oshkosh hitting a minefield.

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Wrecked Leopard 2A6.

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Destroyed Oshkosh. This link has pics of dead soldiers likely from this vehicle, so this is the only one safe to post in this batch.

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Marines of the Russan 40th Brigade from the Far East inspecting an AMX-10R.

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