The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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Don't they have a mishmash of different tanks? Soviet, NATO and now Korean tanks.
I don't envy their logistics team lmao.
Also the only reason I suspect that the Poles chose the K2PL is because SK allowed them to produce 820 of them within Poland and 180 imported from SK for a total of 1000
So they will have 180 from SK and have the option to maybe build more locally if they have enough financing. Poland like the other country now looking for MBT have done their part giving their stock.. The only remaining country that have MBT to give is the US and it look like they have problems giving them before 2024...

Beside IFV, I don't see a lot of MBT filling the loss of Ukraine. NATO is looking for new tanks for their own stock.
 

Stealthflanker

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If merkava really joins the Ukrainian ranks. It's gonna be interesting on how they will be used.

AFAIK Merkava was built based on very unique Israeli doctrine of wanting a tank that can be supplied from protected position. The Bar-Lev line appears to taught them that conventional tank can have difficulty being supplied with munitions from hatch.

Therefore Merkava was born, with the unique rear hatch, and narrow turret, which constantly getting bigger as the versions progressed, but most of the turret are armor.

The Ukrainian could put Merkava in their trench, exposing only the turret while the tank can keep watching and constantly firing without need to retreat and reload its munition. The reload of the tank is done via the rear hatch. There were beliefs that Merkava's rear compartment can be used for infantry, which is true but doing such will make the tank devoid of ammo or maybe only have about 8 ready to fire rounds in the bustle storage.
 

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With the Ukrainians preparing for round 2 of the offensive, does anyone think that they will attack somewhere else for a smaller objective?

Particularly in the Kherson Oblast or maybe even in the Ugledar area.
 

Atomicfrog

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If merkava really joins the Ukrainian ranks. It's gonna be interesting on how they will be used.

AFAIK Merkava was built based on very unique Israeli doctrine of wanting a tank that can be supplied from protected position. The Bar-Lev line appears to taught them that conventional tank can have difficulty being supplied with munitions from hatch.

Therefore Merkava was born, with the unique rear hatch, and narrow turret, which constantly getting bigger as the versions progressed, but most of the turret are armor.

The Ukrainian could put Merkava in their trench, exposing only the turret while the tank can keep watching and constantly firing without need to retreat and reload its munition. The reload of the tank is done via the rear hatch. There were beliefs that Merkava's rear compartment can be used for infantry, which is true but doing such will make the tank devoid of ammo or maybe only have about 8 ready to fire rounds in the bustle storage.
So that open hatch and static position would make it a perfect target for Lancet...

Versions (MK1 MK2) with M68 would not have big problem with ammo even later types 120mm gun are compatible with NATO ammunitions.

Would be interesting to see but it look like a desperate measure. Logistic nightmare continue. Could be usefull on one way battle with no hope of servicing.
 

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The pilot of the MiG-29 fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Vladislav svilev received training courses for fighter pilots at the US military base in Mississippi for two years. In March 2023, he completed his training, returned to Ukraine and died on one of his first combat sorties after his return.
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Denmark and Norway jointly offer additional artillery shells for Ukraine army​

Denmark and Norway have once again joined forces to donate artillery shells to Ukraine. This time it concerns a total of 9,000 shell components. In addition, Denmark itself donated a further 1,500 complete artillery shells and 500 grenades.
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Tank battle from drone
 

plawolf

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If merkava really joins the Ukrainian ranks. It's gonna be interesting on how they will be used.

AFAIK Merkava was built based on very unique Israeli doctrine of wanting a tank that can be supplied from protected position. The Bar-Lev line appears to taught them that conventional tank can have difficulty being supplied with munitions from hatch.

Therefore Merkava was born, with the unique rear hatch, and narrow turret, which constantly getting bigger as the versions progressed, but most of the turret are armor.

The Ukrainian could put Merkava in their trench, exposing only the turret while the tank can keep watching and constantly firing without need to retreat and reload its munition. The reload of the tank is done via the rear hatch. There were beliefs that Merkava's rear compartment can be used for infantry, which is true but doing such will make the tank devoid of ammo or maybe only have about 8 ready to fire rounds in the bustle storage.

I don’t think artillery will care much at all, they will go kaboom as easily as any other tank in the world.

I just don’t understand why it’s so hard to comprehend that there are no silver bullet wonder weapons. You throw any tank in the world into a hopeless situation against impossible odds with inadequate support and it will get dunked on as easily as the worst tank in the world.

The closest things to such wonder weapons that the west could supply which might make a disproportionately big impact are things they will never send, such as top of the line EW and jamming systems, and F35Bs.

Part of the reason given for why the initial pushes by the Ukrainian counter-offensive was so calamitous was the heavy Russian EW and jamming that effectively neutralised the Ukrainian drone fleets, and it seems like the Ukrainians were counting on a massive FPV suicide drone swarm that never arrived.

If Ukraine can shut down Russian drones, and not just commercial DJIs, but Orlans and Lancets, then that could decisively swing the artillery war in their favour.

Similarly, having a VLO/LO VTOL AA and long range precision strike capability will give Russia massive headaches.

But NATO won’t provide these, since there is a good chance they will be captured by the Russians eventually.
 

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Remains of a destroyed Slovakia donated S-300 launcher.

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Lancet blows up a Ukrainian Akasya SPG.

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20 Ukrainian soldiers of a company surrendered near Avdiivka.

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Ukrainian boats used to make raids targeted by Russian artillery.


Ukrainian tank explodes after ATGM hit.

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FPV drone applies the finishing touch to an abandoned M113 carrier.

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HighGround

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I don’t think artillery will care much at all, they will go kaboom as easily as any other tank in the world.

I just don’t understand why it’s so hard to comprehend that there are no silver bullet wonder weapons. You throw any tank in the world into a hopeless situation against impossible odds with inadequate support and it will get dunked on as easily as the worst tank in the world.

The closest things to such wonder weapons that the west could supply which might make a disproportionately big impact are things they will never send, such as top of the line EW and jamming systems, and F35Bs.

Part of the reason given for why the initial pushes by the Ukrainian counter-offensive was so calamitous was the heavy Russian EW and jamming that effectively neutralised the Ukrainian drone fleets, and it seems like the Ukrainians were counting on a massive FPV suicide drone swarm that never arrived.

If Ukraine can shut down Russian drones, and not just commercial DJIs, but Orlans and Lancets, then that could decisively swing the artillery war in their favour.

Similarly, having a VLO/LO VTOL AA and long range precision strike capability will give Russia massive headaches.

But NATO won’t provide these, since there is a good chance they will be captured by the Russians eventually.

All he said was that it would be interesting how it would be used. Merkava tanks are unique and designed specifically for Israel's unique combat needs.


No substantive changes on the front for the last three days or so.

Ukraine claimed that Russia launched a missile attack during the South African visit to Kiev. So far, I haven't see any corroboration or confirmation of said missile attack, other than from pro-Ukrainian accounts.

 

Atomicfrog

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BoraTas

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All he said was that it would be interesting how it would be used. Merkava tanks are unique and designed specifically for Israel's unique combat needs.


No substantive changes on the front for the last three days or so.

Ukraine claimed that Russia launched a missile attack during the South African visit to Kiev. So far, I haven't see any corroboration or confirmation of said missile attack, other than from pro-Ukrainian accounts.

As far as I know Merkava's have a more uniform armor distribution compared to other tanks. Even a Mk2 Merkava can have substantial roof armor. This armor would do nothing against an ATGM hit. But it is definitely useful against RPGs hitting at a high angle and artillery.
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