The War in the Ukraine

Anlsvrthng

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The USA averaged 300 Million per day for Afghanistan (according to forbes).

I suppose there is a discount on neighbourhood wars, but this Special Operation is on a different scale to the US Nato Operation in Afghanistan. So very cheap compared to western wars.
I still thinking about the whole Pentagon withdrawal from Afgansitan was due to the Russian oposition of the troops of Capitol in Ukriane, with all auxilary systems.

Without the transport bridge throught Russia/Russian controled countries they had the only option, remove all troopy by airbridge, and leave all equipment.

The timing suspiciously matched the start of the Russian pressure by removing the Gazprom from the spot gas market . And it was just before the NATO ultimatum .
 

Tam

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I shared this video a while ago. Now I found out there's another report that claims there are 50 soldiers in this hold out that got hit by a TOS-1A thermobaric. I can see there's a lot of soldiers drone tracked in the video but I don't know about 50. Unless someone has a longer original version of the clip where they are able to visibly count the troops one by one.


Some members of the Ukrainian invasion force on Belgorod were tracked by drone to be hiding in this forest, which has been focused by MLRS fire.


Ukraine still appears to have plenty of Gzovdika SPGs. But here is one less, as a drone spotted and a Lancet took it out. This attack is located at Kherson.

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The results of a missile hit at Slavysnsk. The enterprise was completely destroyed. It may have housed both ammunition and barracks simultaneously. Russians focusing on depots and deployment centers with a vengeance of late.

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Russian Sixth Brigade taking out targets trying to hide in the forest line. Drones tracked the target and adjusting artillery.

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SolarWarden

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At first this whole ground attack in Belgorod was more of a meh! kind of response because it felt more like a raid to humiliate Russia and make the leader of the rebels get more name recognition but now it feels different
I'm not sure what to make of the Belgorod. This is being done by "rebels" numbering over the couple hundreds and Russia just looks like it doesn't know what to do other than arty the whole place.

Even probing attacks are resulting in big gains and the offensive hasn't even started yet.
 

Right_People

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So seems that the attack of today was done by the new 31st Mechanized Brigade. This one has Bradleys and Leopards, I think we will finally see them in action.

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The destroyed tank is a T-72B, so no Leos used so far,
1 M113 destroyed and 8 Maxxpros/HUMVEEs and such
 

baykalov

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At first this whole ground attack in Belgorod was more of a meh! kind of response because it felt more like a raid to humiliate Russia and make the leader of the rebels get more name recognition but now it feels different
I'm not sure what to make of the Belgorod. This is being done by "rebels" numbering over the couple hundreds and Russia just looks like it doesn't know what to do other than arty the whole place.

Even probing attacks are resulting in big gains and the offensive hasn't even started yet.

There is more misinformation than truth in those tweets you quoted.

Telegram channel Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны:

Vladimir Rogov the head of the 'We are with Russia' movement in Zaporozhye Oblast reports the following from the front about the reconnaissance in force conducted earlier today by the AFU:

About the offensive of the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye area

Today, at about 12:00 pm, militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, through reconnaissance in force, attempted to break through on the Zaporozhye front in the area of Vremevsky Balka.

The main hostilities unfolded in the direction of the settlements of Novodarovka, Rovnopol, as well as in areas south and southwest of Vremovka (Neskuchnoye-Makarovka) and south of Novodarovka (Levadnoye-Priyutnoye).

About two motorized infantry companies and over a dozen armored vehicles, including T-72 tanks, American M113 armored personnel carriers, M1224 MaxxProo and HMMWV M1151A1 armored vehicles, took part in the assault.

In addition to the regular units of the UAF militants, Polish mercenaries from the Third Assault Group of the Polish Corps took part in the attack.

After two hours of fighting, the AFU were able to advance about 200 meters, losing at least two tanks destroyed by anti-tank systems, and up to a dozen militants.

As of 16:00, the maximum depth to which the combined forces of the Ukrainian militants and Polish mercenaries could penetrate reached 400 meters.

Thanks to the high-quality defense of our fighters from the 5th Combined Arms Red Banner Army of the Eastern Military District and accurate strikes by the Russian Air Force, artillery and aimed mortar fire, the enemy suffered losses (at least ten armored vehicles and about 50 militants) and at the moment they are thrown back from their positions.

Now there are active hostilities. The enemy does not stop attempts to continue their assault, our fighters cover [i.e. hit] the enemy with fire.

Situation at Zaporozhye direction, latest update (from almost 1 hour ago):

▪️Russian soldiers have recaptured and restored all positions, AFU is regrouping.

▪️During the battles on the Zaporozhye front,AFU has suffered significant losses and is rolling back

▪️According to incoming data, AFU attacks are repelled.

▪️The AFU was repulsed by artillery, air strikes and during the counterattack of Russian armored groups. Now AFU is regrouping for new strikes.

▪️In the minefields, from the fire of Russian artillery, aviation, ATGM and tanks, the AFU lost up to 7 tanks and up to 20 units of light armored vehicles: American M-113 armored personnel carriers, Hummer and MaxxPro armored vehicles, pickups were also burned.

▪️At least a company of AFU manpower was destroyed

At the moment, everything is controlled. It didn't look like a combat reconnaissance in some areas.



Telegram channel Two Majors:

Mass reconnaissance in battle in the Zaporozhye direction
situation at the end of June 4, 2023

Simultaneously with the activation of Ukrainian formations in the Kharkov and South-Donetsk directions today in the afternoon, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched an attack from Malaya Tokmachka near Orekhov .

▪️The assault detachment conducted a sortie to the positions of the RF Armed Forces with the support of several units of armored vehicles. According to some reports, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to break through, but later the attack was repulsed, and control was restored.

▪️On the Vremyevsky ledge, according to the Archangel of the Special Forces , in the Bolshaya Novoselka area, the enemy launched an attack with forces of 10 tanks and more than 20 AFVs , which was ultimately repulsed.

❗️All these sorties are more like reconnaissance in combat and an assessment of the capabilities of both the Russian troops and the Ukrainian formations themselves, which operate as part of consolidated assault formations.

In the tactical group "Marun" , which, apparently, will form the backbone of the offensive forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the organization of communications and the combat control system between the air assault formations (46 oambr, 82 airborne brigade, 71 ebr and 132 reconnaissance battalions) is now being debugged.

Most likely, the next attempts, and more massive ones , will be made in the near future. Ukrainian formations on the front line today were issued with additional batteries, ammunition and uniforms, they are ready for active hostilities.
 

SolarWarden

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Atomicfrog

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There is more misinformation than truth in those tweets you quoted.

Telegram channel Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны:





Telegram channel Two Majors:
Wow it's quite hardcore recon, They are losing quite a few vehicules and troops in the process....

They are receiving enemy attention but i'm not even sure if they retrieved data on enemy positions while doing that kind of poking.

Can they just go with a couple of guys with a radio and use a couple of quadcopters to do recon. They can report what they find and it's easier to flee or just becoming pow if discovered... With a quad with gps and camera they can even draw map with gps of enemy positions with pictures of fortifications.

Maybe it's just to make headlines, in bloody ink.
 

Right_People

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Exactly where do you see Bradleys and Leos?
Read again.
Wow it's quite hardcore recon, They are losing quite a few vehicules and troops in the process....

They are receiving enemy attention but i'm not even sure if they retrieved data on enemy positions while doing that kind of poking.

Can they just go with a couple of guys with a radio and use a couple of quadcopters to do recon. They can report what they find and it's easier to flee or just becoming pow if discovered... With a quad with gps and camera they can even draw map with gps of enemy positions with pictures of fortifications.

Maybe it's just to make headlines, in bloody ink.
I think they are not reconnaissance, but assaults, it is less painful to say that a reconnaissance failed than an assault, I mean more vehicles were lost there than in many trench assaults that consisted of 2-3 BMPs....
Also, it is reported that they actually managed to take 2 small villages, only to be push back later

 
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