The War in the Ukraine

LawLeadsToPeace

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Well if it is impermissible that's my bad and I apologise, I thought the content of the Tweet pretty much spoke for itself.
To ask moderator Deino - is it permissible to only post links from Twitter in the thread without any explanation or text? As far as I know it's against the thread rules.

Or is it only for selected forum members?!

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It is not permissible as mentioned in the first page. The reason is that users in the past would just spam one Twitter link after another. So we made a rule in which there must be at least one sentence of commentary that accompany the link even if it is self-explanatory. @Maikeru 's post will be kept and Ill add a sentence. However in the future, it will be deleted without a second thought regardless of endorsement.
 

Soldier30

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Video created by the engineering troops of Ukraine, a powerful underground fortified structure, created in the form of a square. In the drone video, you can see the many entrances to the underground structure, connected by an extensive network of underground tunnels.


Published footage of the evacuation of a damaged Russian tank by two Russian engineering vehicles, under the blows of Ukrainian artillery. The video was filmed in the Uludar direction and shortened, showing the brightest moments.

 

Overbom

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The article says its the amount on top of the peacetime budget.
That makes sense then. $67 billion per year is about $180 million per day which seems roughly correct (although its kinda on the lower end of my estimate)

Considering the scale of the war, the daily consumption, and costs of other wars, this is quite cheap
 

Tam

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I posted this video before but failed to identify this new UAV from Zala properly. This should be the Supercam drone, not Supercum. It's main purpose is to hunt and document persecution of targets for and by the Lancet.


Around 1:00 of this video, is the recent destruction of a Ukrainian ammo depot


Around 2:50 of this video is an attack on a Ukrainian depot or vehicular hanger by an optical guided weapon fired airborne. This can be a Kh-29 or Kh-59 or a KAB.


Scoop. First photos of Leopards near the front.

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Fuel or oil film in the waters of Odessa where that landing ship was supposed to be sunk.

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abc123

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Hmmm well depending on the country you are from this has one term or another.
In Russian it's "Околофутбола" or "close to football", in the English-speaking world it's known by the term "ultra".
In general, they are the typical people who go to cheer for a football team (usually, but there are other sports), it is common for them to have an ideology. In the case of Russia, they are all quite patriotic.
Eastern hooligans are quite serious in their thing, many top martial artist have/still belong to a ultras "firm"


In the armies of Europe, and taking into account that many people who join the army are nationalists, it is common for many ultras to be professional military personnel. Russia is no exception and many already participated in 2014. For example, this guy apart from the Wagner patch and the medal wears another patch "ТШТП", which indicates that he is an ultra of Spartak Moscow.

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In Ukraine, Azov was formed from nationalists and ultras of the Metalist Kharkiv team, so in general, it is a tried and tested formula.
It is little known, but another of the most famous units of Europe's recent wars, Yugoslavia's famous "Arkan Tigers" had their origin in Delije, an ultra group of Red Star Belgrade.


The main thing in an elite shock unit I think is motivation and they because of their ideology and let's say "militia" past are a good candidate.
Besides the 106th VDV there is another unit formed by ultras, known as the Española, this one has had combat, in fact they were present in Ugledar where they lost some members. Española must be around the 900 members, but they said they are taking in more, amusingly, despite being a nationalist formation, they are one of the few in all the armed forces with women at the front, as snipers ...
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The core of Española is Army veterans, they took part in Mariupol battle, and took the Azov stadium from them, now belongs to them ...
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Poetic in a way ...
Units made of football huligans and similar creme de la creme of society are the best for pillaging and making war-crimes over unarmed civillians/PoWs. Actual war- not really, except as cannon fodder. And their use as cannon fodder is better for country that's deploying them, then for the enemy.
Just my 2cents.
 

tankphobia

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That makes sense then. $67 billion per year is about $180 million per day which seems roughly correct (although its kinda on the lower end of my estimate)

Considering the scale of the war, the daily consumption, and costs of other wars, this is quite cheap
US wars give a false sense of war cost since they're primarily fought half way around the world, with a huge logistical tail that is expensive to maintain. Russia is hardly using any air transportation and is heavily reliant on rail, it is no wonder that it would be cheaper

That being said, if you factor in PPP of ruble vs USD it's probably still an obscene amount of money being spend on a frozen conflict.
 

tankphobia

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It's not a frozen conflict at this stage.
Equipment attrition on both sides have slowed massively to a sustainable level with some exceptions such as AD missiles on Ukranian side, they can keep at it for a few years yet, front lines are basically frozen until Ukraine offensive launches.
 

jvodan

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That makes sense then. $67 billion per year is about $180 million per day which seems roughly correct (although its kinda on the lower end of my estimate)

Considering the scale of the war, the daily consumption, and costs of other wars, this is quite cheap
The USA averaged 300 Million per day for Afghanistan (according to forbes).

I suppose there is a discount on neighbourhood wars, but this Special Operation is on a different scale to the US Nato Operation in Afghanistan. So very cheap compared to western wars.
 
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